I think my view of the game tends to be very self-centric and that doesn't help when the first flips lead me to being very inaccurate
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
Just going to quote this to remind myself of +town for Sakura in case I need to evaluate her more directly down the line and miss this. Maybe this is just a newscum thing to do (or a me-scum thing to do) but I feel like scum reads ahead more often than not and doesn't always just post their first thought in fear that they might ask something that has already been answered, or commit to a stance that is not favorable to them.
I get the feeling I'm not ever going to be comfortable TRing Sakura despite some of her posts that give me townvibes. In that way she reminds me of marcistar, not sure if I've pointed that out already but I have thought it while reading
I don't know Shirou or Alisae well enough to decide if that was theatre but I don't feel like it was. Seems like town!Shirou is actually peeved and scum!Alisae is just being disruptive. 2693-2765 is the 1v1 I'm referring to, not sure if there's another more recent one
In post 2969, Lazy Shirou wrote:
Actually. This will look weird considering my above posts but I'm really starting to hate lurking or active lurking because it's such an unfun playstyle to play against given it barely feels like you get a chance to read the person so I may as well do this
VOTE: Freedom
@Taly I feel like Shirou arrived here in a way that is not suspicious now that I have some more context
In post 3141, Dannflor wrote:
freedom picking only one person to town read and that person being someone who hasn't really been in the mix to be spared feels like antispew personally
Does antispew mean scum!Freedom is spewing a teammate scum!Alisae or does it mean scum!Freedom is giving a token opinion on a slot that is not really in the mix because he doesn't want to influence the current sparepool by commenting on it after he flips scum?
Obviously Freedom flipped town I just don't know exactly what antispew means - whether it is spew on the scumteam or just trying to avoid town/scum-spew
In post 3166, Dannflor wrote:
i don’t think you played hard enough if you don’t look back at your posts after the game is finished and cringe at least once
Never look back in sadness. Only full, unmitigated fury.
DANNFLOR WHY HAVE YOU BETRAYED ME!
I'm here now and I feel like I've been focused on other slots and holding on to an early Brown Eyes TR to the point that I probably need to reevaluate BE/Bingle at some point. I remember good vibes from Brown Eyes though, like maybe something that I felt was really hard to fake as scum.
Partly made the last post because I saw this and it reminded me of Dannflor's hipfire scumteam including myself and Bingle and I just didn't understand where the Bingle SR came from, but maybe I glazed it
In post 2781, Dannflor wrote:
town core is like implosion, taly, keyleth, ydrasse
This feels like a really gross towncore. Like... I'm never comfortable hard townreading Ydrasse after too many games of watching Mena do that and lose hard. Taly is probably just the leader here and the more I think about the gamestate being weird the more I think that's not really townreadworthy-ish. I'll admit I've been falling into the trap of letting Taly be my rock to kind of guide me, but I don't know that there's something he's done to deserve that. Implo is solidly null for me, and a hard townread there is just :/ And legitimately I can't remember shit for keyleth's alignment.
This is sort of a weird post, especially the part about Taly. Feels like a weird thing to call "gross". The Ydrasse thing sounds like it's Bingle's issue, "Mena is bad at townreading Ydrasse so no one can do it with accuracy" is a non-argument. The Taly thing is just not engaging with anything Taly has actually done, how his reads have shifted or his interactions with the game state or so on or so forth. The comment on me (and also on Keyleth) also kind of feels like "I don't have a read here so I don't understand how anyone can have a hard townread here". And I don't really understand what the conclusion about Dannflor is supposed to be either. I get it's a catchup post but it's weird.
3171 glad to see you've gotten there but please don't say it too loud so she does not get shot :X
This might be the first post of implosions where I feel like i'm getting an actual vibe from. Like I think early on I saw, Mandate I think it was, TRing implo, and I was like "sure ok I can't really read implo well anyways. I buy that." And maybe because I lack confidence in sorting implo, or maybe because I decided to sheep Mandate early enough, I skimmed through his posts more than I should have, but I am getting townvibes here which I'm thinking is going to make things a lot easier for me if I make it to D4/D5 when the pool will start narrowing
In post 3254, Taly wrote:
i still genuinely dont know how to approach
bingle's
alignment
does scum say unhinged shit to save their ass when it wasnt necessary?
but, i want to townread it... because
bingle's
made plays like this as town before
like
what
im honestly trying here and im getting nowhere
I wouldn't try to get anywhere off of the self-meta by itself - just know that offering himself up to be flipped is not inherently scummy. Like if Bingle is aware he does it as town (and he is since he's pointing it out) he can do it as scum. But he can also do it as town, because... he does it as town.
In post 3312, Isis wrote:
Keyleth, Lazy Shirou, Taly, Sakura Hana, Dannflor, Dunnstral
oh look
it's the same people that decided to kill meuh
I like this line of thought though
Freedom and Meuh Wagoners:
Taly
, Sakura,
Dunn
, Keyleth
Meuh-Only Wagoner:
implosion, Ydrasse
Freedom-Only Wagoner:
RCEnigma, Shirou, Dannflor
Off Both Wagons at Elimination:
Alisae, Bingle, ssbm_Kyouko
Everyone should succinctly give their spare order of
3.
I have thoughts I don't want to say at the moment
Like according to this there were 4 players on both wagons and one is getting yeeted before we move to D4. We can go kill route and kill all 4 of these players and we only lose if all 4 of them were town.
I think the towncore is likely infiltrated and sparing is a lost cause
HURT:
I like the line of thought but some things to consider:
The odds that the entire scum team are in the town block is low.
The odds scum got Toriel and the other two solidified themselves in the town bloc is… I was gonna say lower but probably not.
If the town bloc is compromised and scum lead both lims then the difference between mercy and fight only comes down to dunns alignment because scum will still have major control over lim targets.
Would also have to consider Taly scum which I’m not thrilled about.
In post 3407, RCEnigma wrote:
Either way I think I want alisae as the first spare if we are going that route and I’m putting my weight behind whatever lim alisae supports if we fight.
I just don't understand this though like why Alisae. It's so against the grain of everyone else's opinions (as far as I can tell, except maybe Freedom's), and it's hard to see any reason why e should be town - especially hard to see why e would be more town than Taly or {others I should probably stop being specific about}
In post 3407, RCEnigma wrote:
Either way I think I want alisae as the first spare if we are going that route and I’m putting my weight behind whatever lim alisae supports if we fight.
I just don't understand this though like why Alisae. It's so against the grain of everyone else's opinions (as far as I can tell, except maybe Freedom's), and it's hard to see any reason why e should be town - especially hard to see why e would be more town than Taly or {others I should probably stop being specific about}
If I can tonight I’ll get into this. If not then I’m the morning.
In post 3141, Dannflor wrote:
freedom picking only one person to town read and that person being someone who hasn't really been in the mix to be spared feels like antispew personally
Does antispew mean scum!Freedom is spewing a teammate scum!Alisae or does it mean scum!Freedom is giving a token opinion on a slot that is not really in the mix because he doesn't want to influence the current sparepool by commenting on it after he flips scum?
Obviously Freedom flipped town I just don't know exactly what antispew means - whether it is spew on the scumteam or just trying to avoid town/scum-spew
it means just giving as little info as possible
obviously i was wrong but i feel like picking a top town read that was basically inconsequential basically gave us 0 associatives to work off of
In post 3617, Dannflor wrote:
i do kind of feel that ive been scum reading sakura's personality and every time i've taken a step back from the game and tried to look at her actions more objectively I end up town reading her
Maybe it's also her personality for me but I don't think in sparegame that it will end up mattering
Some people trying to pin the blame of freedom being mislimmed on me is hilarious
I was literally the unique one openly defending Freedom but at the same time worried that I could be wrong and would look like a clown if he flipped scum and he kept doing the usual Freedom thing of barely playing the game and it deeply bothers me to put more effort into defending someone than they are putting effort into defending themselves/playing the game
So I compromised and accepted Freedom was never gonna effort or be spared in the game and that it wasn't a bad coinflip especially if it proved to Taly/Ali or whoever else that their worldview is wrong
Except that even after being wrong on Freedom they have still the same reads today
The Deathtunnel Archon Shirou without any of his aggro or hyperposting powers.
Legend says that one day he may reclaim his Gnosis and show his effortful form once again, but until that fated day comes...
P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
