Guns & Roses VI [Game Over]

[Aristeia]

my conversation with Theta has nothing to do with anything you can do to find mafia.

if you want to make a case for someone being mafia feel free to do that I'm certainly not stopping you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a question on the hypothetical massclaim. How would the order be set?

[Taly]

I question how productive this back and forth is

I question how productive you are

I don't understand where you're coming from here. I am one of the highest posters with questions and some already-given opinions about the game. I was simply commenting on how the current conversation was helping people gamesolve. You can disagree with me, but you don't have to disparage my contribution here.

[Taly]

I'm sorry I said anything. Damn.

[Taly]

But actually, I do have an analysis coming soon, I'm just very busy today.

[Taly]

[Aristeia]

I question how productive this back and forth is

I question how productive you are

I don't understand where you're coming from here. I am one of the highest posters with questions and some already-given opinions about the game. I was simply commenting on how the current conversation was helping people gamesolve. You can disagree with me, but you don't have to disparage my contribution here.

how productive do you think post 394 actually is Taly to advancing the game state.

[Aristeia]

like do you think you get nothing from my conversation with Theta?

do you think it looks like 2 mafia who are theatering?

do we look un-aligned with each other?

do you think I believe what I'm saying? do you think theta does? do you think either of us are more likely town or scum because of it?

all of these are things you can be saying

or you can say something like this conversation is NAI and clogging up the thread you both should stop if you think both of us would behave exactly the same regardless of our role

but then I'd question what actual thread conversation are we supposed to be derailing? thread looks pretty dead to me.

[Aristeia]

like popping in to say oh this is unproductive without actually doing anything productive yourself or having a direction you want to push the game in just feels like you saying things that you think look good

[Celebloki]

more enchant votes only comment i have

This is the post that made me decide to go for Cakez over Ari or Ali. Ari started the push and has specific, very established reasons. Ali was engaged a bit in the claim talk and wanting to get rid of guns. Cakez piled on more so for meta'ing Enchant it seems. The vote also came in not long after Ali's. Maybe there was hope there'd be more momentum for a wagon to start that didn't. To me his vote was opportunistic and not from the same place as Ari or Ali.

At this point I'm not making a case on Cakez, I'm just trying a different direction than Enchant. I'll say it again so I'm not mis-represented. I am NOT saying I think Enchant is town and the gun claims are interesting choices to make. I tend to agree with Ali's statement that guns have to die at some point. My stance is just to save them for later.

[Taly]

I question how productive this back and forth is

I question how productive you are

I don't understand where you're coming from here. I am one of the highest posters with questions and some already-given opinions about the game. I was simply commenting on how the current conversation was helping people gamesolve. You can disagree with me, but you don't have to disparage my contribution here.

how productive do you think post 394 actually is Taly to advancing the game state.

I think this is a good example on why this is advancing the gamestate, because you're sharing your POV on disagreeing with my initial statement, which helps me understand your perspective on the game better.

I said my statement initially because I did not see anything that helped me sort you,

Theta

, or

Bulge's

slot.

And this is changing that.

[Taly]

There's something I keep coming back to and disagreeing with,

Aristeia

:/
I just stated scum can also win if all town roses are dead
That’s been a thing in every run of this setup

I've never played this setup before but it just feels silly to me to pick rose as mafia - I'd pick gun every time

I don't think it's silly at all for mafia to choose rose.

The issue is not "does this setup choice make sense as mafia?" - I see it more as "what can mafia do to endgame?"

Selling the idea that only mafia will pick guns while being a mafia rose is one way I can see the latter's objective being true.

So I want another explanation of your scumreads on

Enchant/Wheme

, because I'm unconvinced off of this premise.

[Aristeia]

I never scumread Wheme.

I scumread Enchant for lying about his choice

[Aristeia]

what does a mafia gain if they pick rose instead of gun?

[WhemeStar]

Ari conf town

[WhemeStar]

Hopefully you picked rose n1 cause you getting shot

[Taly]

Unless I'm misreading the rose ability, the mafia can theoretically protect themselves from a shot.

Sounds attractive for those who know they're often LHF or suspected early.

Can you share the post where

Enchant

lied? I didn't pick up on that my first read through.

[SirCakez]

I haven't ruled out

Wheme/Enchant

TvS or even TvT thus far.

I feel like Enchant and Wheme both being scum is almost like *too easy*? Like I feel like they would have solved this shit in scum chat or something by now. And they are both a little naturally scummy I think

I recommend providing an alternative if you think people are misled here

I don't want an alternative I want Enchant lol

[Taly]

I have a gun

Ima shoot Ali I think

I think enchant is town

Please vote me off day 3 my gun is night 2

IF IM WEAK SCUM WHY DO I CLAIM GUN AND BRING ATTENTJON TO MYSELF

Ali’s reasoning is very weird

I'm a bit intrigued by your Ali thoughts, is there any practical reason to withhold them?

Equally important,

Wheme

Why bargain to be eliminated D3 if you're town?

Pedit

I am not gonna hide. I can shot N1.

So if Wheme can shot N2 i always win.

Is this your defense of eliminating

Wheme

over yourself D1...?

Can you get to this

Wheme

?

[Aristeia]

Ok you got me i did in fact pick gun.

I pretended i townread wheme, so i can shot wheme in the face without being shot back but i guess it's blatant i always pick gun.


Bruh game.


So yeah. Crosskill?

[Taly]

Enchant

, why do you even scumread

Wheme

?

[WhemeStar]

I have a gun

Ima shoot Ali I think

I think enchant is town

Please vote me off day 3 my gun is night 2

IF IM WEAK SCUM WHY DO I CLAIM GUN AND BRING ATTENTJON TO MYSELF

Ali’s reasoning is very weird

I'm a bit intrigued by your Ali thoughts, is there any practical reason to withhold them?

Equally important,

Wheme

Why bargain to be eliminated D3 if you're town?

Pedit

I am not gonna hide. I can shot N1.

So if Wheme can shot N2 i always win.

Is this your defense of eliminating

Wheme

over yourself D1...?

Can you get to this

Wheme

?

It was a joke

[WhemeStar]

Also hot take enchant is town tooo

[Alisae]

a massclaim only benefits scum at this stage of the game. your entire play has been centred around who picked what. qed.

show how a massclaim only benefits scum

bc it has no benefit to town [at this stage of the game] and helps scum to direct their nks

this is good for village

[Gamma Emerald]

more enchant votes only comment i have

This is the post that made me decide to go for Cakez over Ari or Ali. Ari started the push and has specific, very established reasons. Ali was engaged a bit in the claim talk and wanting to get rid of guns. Cakez piled on more so for meta'ing Enchant it seems. The vote also came in not long after Ali's. Maybe there was hope there'd be more momentum for a wagon to start that didn't. To me his vote was opportunistic and not from the same place as Ari or Ali.

At this point I'm not making a case on Cakez, I'm just trying a different direction than Enchant. I'll say it again so I'm not mis-represented. I am NOT saying I think Enchant is town and the gun claims are interesting choices to make. I tend to agree with Ali's statement that guns have to die at some point. My stance is just to save them for later.

Okay, that makes sense
VOTE: SirCakez