Guns & Roses VI [Game Over]

[Titus]

The way this should work is as follows.

1) Claim immediately if your gun succeeds.
2) If no kills, then any surviving roses should claim.
3) If no kills, then any matching guns should claim.
2-3) Conclusion: Scum kill is very very likely in any unmatched rose. Scum already know the kill, so it provides little to no information for scum. There are edge cases where scum try and cc their kill target and vigs shoot the scum nightkill. Extreme edge case, vig shoots kill target and scum claim it.
4) If there's a successful kill but a town gun fails, then the gun should claim. Then we all know if the victim is town, then we know the victim must be that rose and therefore no shady guns.

[Titus]

No matter what scum do with this set up, there's a risk they get caught out. Any gun can be matched with reads. Scum should be afraid to fake claim as they could be exposed either by narrative or by mech. I'm not going to go through every scenario or force it, but that's what should happen.

[Celebloki]

I'm not sure I follow step 2, You mean roses that chose that night? Wouldn't that then confirm to guns and scum that those people are all now vulnerable? You wouldn't want the failed gun to claim first and who they targeted, then have that rose confirm or not? Only one rose outed? I realize this scenario that the failed gun would probably not want to admit themselves, but in your scenario we could have a bunch of roses become vulnerable and then have no guns claim afterwards. I feel like the guns should have to stick their neck out first.

[Gamma Emerald]

... Or mafia as clueless as everyone and picked gun to pew pew.

If one mafia is aware it raises the awareness of all of them

[Theta Alpine]

if all roses claim then any remaining guns can be determined

[Gamma Emerald]

But you’re right that it’s speculation at this point

[Enchant]

... Or mafia as clueless as everyone and picked gun to pew pew.

If one mafia is aware it raises the awareness of all of them

How exactly it undermines my statement?

[Titus]

I'm not sure I follow step 2, You mean roses that chose that night? Wouldn't that then confirm to guns and scum that those people are all now vulnerable? You wouldn't want the failed gun to claim first and who they targeted, then have that rose confirm or not? Only one rose outed? I realize this scenario that the failed gun would probably not want to admit themselves, but in your scenario we could have a bunch of roses become vulnerable and then have no guns claim afterwards. I feel like the guns should have to stick their neck out first.

In that setup, no. In the others I outlined, yes guns go first.

If guns claim first, then scum get an idea to possibly obscure who all can be confirmed. If scum want to fake a gun on a no kill night, their options are limited to who claims. If it doesn't match their narrative it gets caught out later.

The risk of now scum know this target is safe is minimal given roses are only safe one night.

[Enchant]

I think after Wheme claimed gun, all 3 other guns are mafia and it's all pointless.

[SirCakez]

What the fuck happened here xD I prepped a big intro post to kick off the day....but I missed the start of d1! Ftr I was expecting to start on n1 because that's how games start where I'm from.

Hello all! My name is Maggie and I'm new to the forums! Pleased to make y'all's acquaintances~

Right off the bat, let me specify that this isn't my first forum mafia game-far from it, actually! I actively play forumsite mafia on a different website, and I have a good amount of experience with irl mafia as well. So don't expect many beginner's "what the fuck is going on" questions from me!

That being said, I don't know what forum etiquette looks like around here, so lmk if I mess up somewhere or say something I'm not supposed to. The forumsite I'm coming from is a lot less strict than most and so if I missed a rule somewhere around here, feel free to PM me about it!

A few heads-up about how I play, though.
I'm a vomposter. (Vompost = >100 posts in a single game). I doubt I'll reach that many posts here, but be forewarned that I post a lot!
D1 shitposting. Probably won't do much here since on the other site I play on I know everyone really well and can thus meme with them, but I may do a little shitposting here and there.

I don't think I missed anything. Nice meeting you all and can't wait to play with everyone here!

Okay I feel complete now

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[Malakittens]

I think after Wheme claimed gun, all 3 other guns are mafia and it's all pointless.

So wouldn’t you wanna force mafia into claiming gun then

[Enchant]

I think after Wheme claimed gun, all 3 other guns are mafia and it's all pointless.

So wouldn’t you wanna force mafia into claiming gun then

how

[SirCakez]

i want to move off rvs but no one has scumpinged me yet so someone do that please

[SirCakez]

i do think the guns/roses claim discussion over the past few pages has been generally town-motivated

[Aristeia]

I don't think Enchant would pick a rose if he was town

[Enchant]

Why not?

[Gamma Emerald]

... Or mafia as clueless as everyone and picked gun to pew pew.

If one mafia is aware it raises the awareness of all of them

How exactly it undermines my statement?

The odds of mafia all bring clueless and picking gun together is reduced by the point that a good player will probably convince the ret to play more strategic

[Titus]

mfeathers, about how many games have you played? What is the most complex setup you felt comfotable with? How would you describe your style (analytical, gut, etc.)?

[Aristeia]

Why not?

you feel like a player who would pick gun

[Aristeia]

The odds of mafia all bring clueless and picking gun together is reduced by the point that a good player will probably convince the ret to play more strategic

I don't see why mafia wouldn't all pick gun

[Theta Alpine]

i can see why they would
just uh

with all the town roses it is more safe to play around with it

if we had like four roses in total then we might have to worry about if all three scum picked rose

[Enchant]

Why not?

you feel like a player who would pick gun

You have wrong opinion on me.

[Aristeia]

ok so why did you decide to pick rose?

[Enchant]

ok so why did you decide to pick rose?

Because it implues mafia need to remove me at some point.

[Gamma Emerald]

The odds of mafia all bring clueless and picking gun together is reduced by the point that a good player will probably convince the ret to play more strategic

I don't see why mafia wouldn't all pick gun

This run is different from other runs in that the number if total roses is stated at the started instead of only how many town roses
That gives scum more ability to muddy the waters there