Open 885: Backup6 [Game Over]

[Black]

Why have you been so confident in your meow read? I feel like Ausuka is probably a good enough scum player where you should probably have more doubts than you have displayed this game

[Dannflor]

also on mobile in bed :p just rereading the game until i fall asleep

[Dannflor]

i dont like how ive been a null or scum slot for most of the game and now I'm being townread as if scum know I'm about to make the wrong choice

Ccs this is a really weird thought

what wrong choice are you about to make

are you calling me and black scum because i think we’re the only ones who stated town reads on you

I don’t get how this thought it related to anything actually happening paranoia or no

[Dannflor]

idk as of 3am im thinking it’s somewhat likely ccs decided to just hard town read his buddy all game and it’s just ccs/iavh but ill take a more proper look at this tomorrow morning

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #1

Not Voting

(5): Black, Dannflor, Freedom, camelCasedSnivy, meowmeow

With five alive, it takes three votes to fade a player.

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1. camelCasedSnivy : he / him / his
3. Black : she / her / her
6. Dannflor : he / him / his
7. meowmeow : any / any / any
8. Freedom : he / him / his

[meowmeow]

... why would i not care about the idea of getting miseliminated. i'm not stupid, i knew if abnegation flips town it's elo immediately afterwards. this makes negative sense to me.

i mean, presumably the whole point was that it looked like tmi that a tracker exists, so why wouldn't me being a tracker be a possibility there? this is a nice line to use in an argument but it makes absolutely no sense in context - i specifically said like if i'm the tracker i would be confirmed town and track aureal

So basically you're saying you were afraid to get misfaded because your tracker comment seemed informed. If that's true then why am I so suspicious for thinking it was a scum slip?

because i knew i wasn't the tracker and you shouldn't have known that

[camelCasedSnivy]

i dont like how ive been a null or scum slot for most of the game and now I'm being townread as if scum know I'm about to make the wrong choice

Ccs this is a really weird thought

what wrong choice are you about to make

are you calling me and black scum because i think we’re the only ones who stated town reads on you

I don’t get how this thought it related to anything actually happening paranoia or no

you could think that youre able to pocket me somehow

[meowmeow]

Black I don't know why you think a meowmeow/dannflor team would have meowmeow hard bus me D1 to E-1 and me hard town read her all the while

also this? i think me and dannflor are pretty blatantly not teamed

I'm going to look at this later because I admit I'm not sure how likely the pairing is based on posts but I wouldn't mind hearing in your own words why you think it's so blatant

dannflor was pretty widely townread when i replaced in and then i started deathtunneling him on d1 and then he decided to hard townread me for it

it would certainly be a ... creative, way to play scum. i think we would be much better off just like ... letting dannflor cook, because he's a good scum player, and in this scenario i would be eating up all his oxygen

even if we decided we needed to bus d1 in a setup where there's a 2/3 chance a tracker or jailkeeper exists, i think i would've asked dannflor to get into it with me a bit more because people instinctively townread actual fights

just in general i don't feel like the two of us being a scumteam makes much, if any, sense

[meowmeow]

obviously i don't like black's handling of this whole situation

What is my motive here if I'm scum? This is probably wifom but wouldn't it make more sense for me to push a Dann/Freedom solve? I already thought it could be them earlier and Freedom is clearly less likely to put up a fight here. I feel like I would just be making things harder for myself if I were scum

because scum players don't need to take the path of no resistance here? you might have expected other people to be much more suspicious of the ""slip"" than they actually are, and a scum black probably wants to be keeping her options open in terms of potential pushes! there's not much reason for you to immediately decide oh it's still dann/freedom because i said that earlier

often in elo the scum are people i have been townreading, but i probably do need to like actually reread the game and try and think from a fresh perspective when i have time. zzz effort

[camelCasedSnivy]

hold on in a tracker and doctor setup there’s only a goon no rolecop

scum would’ve killed black since everyone including me townread them and since both me and aureal are town it would’ve been perfect

[meowmeow]

if ccs is scum with dannflor they might play it like this?

my instinct is that if dannflor is town and ccs is scum, he's probably more likely to take the townread rather than stare the gift horse in the mouth, i guess.

could it be freeblack? I mean off the top of my head there's not much reason why not

i don't really expect freedom to do anything regardless of alignment. iavh also did pretty much nothing. this is not great considering elo but of the two iavh posts are proooobably going to be more readable

pedit: i mean it seems possible scum also thought aureal was the tracker. dann or black could have had a similar thought process as i did with the ctrl+f button and the start of d2, and it only takes one of them

i guess if it's like specifically ccs/freedom it's not that likely?

[camelCasedSnivy]

idk what you mean by ctrl f when i did it on aureal iso i just got "backtrack" and "tracker"

[camelCasedSnivy]

and the "tracker" was talking about that newd3 shit

[meowmeow]

i mean as soon as she got pushed she said "side-tracked"

maybe that's just me overthinking things but combined with the other thing it seemed pretty likely and i don't think it's impossible mafia had the same thought peocess?

[meowmeow]

i guess it depends how common of a word sidetrack is to use naturally

i hear it like basically never irl

searching the forums shows it's not, like, never used but is used very sparsely? i haven't gone to the effort of checking if any of those uses were tracker softs lol

[Black]

dannflor was pretty widely townread when i replaced in and then i started deathtunneling him on d1 and then he decided to hard townread me for it

it would certainly be a ... creative, way to play scum. i think we would be much better off just like ... letting dannflor cook, because he's a good scum player, and in this scenario i would be eating up all his oxygen

even if we decided we needed to bus d1 in a setup where there's a 2/3 chance a tracker or jailkeeper exists, i think i would've asked dannflor to get into it with me a bit more because people instinctively townread actual fights

just in general i don't feel like the two of us being a scumteam makes much, if any, sense

I guess I can understand the bussing point but I don't see why it means you are blatantly not paired. I think you could have planned to play creatively in order to do exactly what you are both doing now which is saying your pairing makes no sense. My issue here and with most situations in Mafia is that I'm not sure the liklihood of this, and hearing you say it's pretty low doesn't help me

[meowmeow]

i mean... you were the one who asked why i thought that? is there any possible answer to that which can't be countered with "ok but what if you just WANTED things to look that way"

[Black]

hold on in a tracker and doctor setup there’s only a goon no rolecop

scum would’ve killed black since everyone including me townread them and since both me and aureal are town it would’ve been perfect

I like this thought but I don't think I was the clear choice for the NK there. If Dann is scum then he already suspected I was a VT in 216, 286, 292, and 300. I guess Dann doesn't necessarily have to be scum for scum to have picked up on this but I think it was weird how Dann kept stressing that I had claimed when I hadn't. It felt like he was continuously prodding that in order to get me to reveal more

In a Dann/meow solve, they would have to cast some doubt on me here which is exactly what meow did. But then why would Dann not go along with her? It doesn't make sense for him to be considering a town!Black world this much if he's paired with meow when they could both just push me here ftw. Meh

[Black]

i mean... you were the one who asked why i thought that? is there any possible answer to that which can't be countered with "ok but what if you just WANTED things to look that way"

I was just saying that I thought hearing it in your own words would help me, but it didn't

[meowmeow]

Why have you been so confident in your meow read? I feel like Ausuka is probably a good enough scum player where you should probably have more doubts than you have displayed this game

if you think i'm a good scum player - i'm not sure i've ever played scum against you - why are you so convinced i scum slipped with literally zero pressure to do so?

[meowmeow]

i mean i agree with dann that you vt claimed by saying you were ok with dying tbh

[Black]

I think Freedom might fit with meow or Dann now that I'm thinking about it

[Black]

Why have you been so confident in your meow read? I feel like Ausuka is probably a good enough scum player where you should probably have more doubts than you have displayed this game

if you think i'm a good scum player - i'm not sure i've ever played scum against you - why are you so convinced i scum slipped with literally zero pressure to do so?

I'm not convinced?

i mean i agree with dann that you vt claimed by saying you were ok with dying tbh

I think it's crazy to assume a naturally emotional player is claiming VT there, but ok

[meowmeow]

i don't really see why he needs to press to reveal more when you did everything but put up a neon red sign saying "i claim vanilla town!!"

[meowmeow]

i think it's crazy to think a town power role would say they are ok to be hammered at e-1 but ok