In post 1539, Gimli wrote:
anen is not right that it doesn't help town
you potatoes openclaiming everything doesn't help town
Wait-oh.
We claimed Miller.
Some of us claimed Miller and "something else, not revealed yet".
Only me claimed Miller and "something that's most probably also negative utility".
That's very, very far from "everything".
So why is your behaviour helpful for the town again? Your post hasn't answered this.
In post 1539, Gimli wrote:
anen is not right that it doesn't help town
you potatoes openclaiming everything doesn't help town
Wait-oh.
We claimed Miller.
Some of us claimed Miller and "something else, not revealed yet".
Only me claimed Miller and "something that's most probably also negative utility".
That's very, very far from "everything".
So why is your behaviour helpful for the town again? Your post hasn't answered this.
"PR"... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
At least, I hope it's only me who drew that buttoned shirt next part with the Miller... Nevermind, flip me and at least we'll see that.
it's not you, the individual, making PR hunting easy
it's 11 miller claimants, many of them with weird or obvious crumbs to other parts of their role, many of them with hints at being 'vanilla' millers
I wasn't grilling anyone for it. however, you and theta particularly just can't seem to understand we might have different ideas on how to play the game, and that me not claiming anything can have a very legitimate, very towny reasoning behind
In post 1540, Gimli wrote:
"if youre miller you need to openclaim miller" is a sad, dated, boring way to play, and even worse in a game where many people claimed miller already
Dumbass
Miller is a negative utility, and one that provides outs to scum by being a possibility. Having the meta be to claim it early prevents that. My homesite had a period of games where without fail there would be a negative-utility massclaim where everyone declared if their role had some sort of negative function to being targeted or not.
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
In post 1555, Gimli wrote:
it's not you, the individual, making PR hunting easy
it's 11 miller claimants, many of them with weird or obvious crumbs to other parts of their role, many of them with hints at being 'vanilla' millers
I wasn't grilling anyone for it. however, you and theta particularly just can't seem to understand we might have different ideas on how to play the game, and that me not claiming anything can have a very legitimate, very towny reasoning behind
I'm done talking about this hopefully
Can you do me a favor? List everyone who has dropped hints to being only Miller. I think it’s not gonna change much because you’re bitching so loudly that scum probably already found them
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
I am aware that I’m probably being harsh but the negative attitude and unwillingness to work with others feel bothersome
It kinda reminds me of the hidden temple game ngl
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
In post 997, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
This game so far has a lot of groups of 3-5 people suddenly voting for the same person and it's unnerving me
Hey look it's my turn! Really don't know what you people want from me here because this one is perfectly fine to keep sitting in the back for the time being.
not a person, just a doll~
this one refers to itself in the third person Get To Know A Doll
a simple miller or not miller claim does not harm town more then it benefits town to save on investigative actions and miselims from false guilties
i will admit to not being sure what the frequency of miller claims means for this strategy however
i think with the amount of claims we have we probably need to find out if all town are millers or not to figure out how much scum may have been informed about
and i am sorry if my initial claim which included more information spurred others to do the same because that is in fact not a good thing and somewhat harmful to town
being on pain meds plus need to sleep is not conducive to making a good entry into the game but i was surprised by how quickly the game went live
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
In post 997, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
This game so far has a lot of groups of 3-5 people suddenly voting for the same person and it's unnerving me
Hey look it's my turn! Really don't know what you people want from me here because this one is perfectly fine to keep sitting in the back for the time being.
I agree that we're in a weird gamestate of vote tennis right now with pushes flying about from person to person without any really sticking, but what would your preference be? Where do you think we should be moving this game?
In post 1540, Gimli wrote:
"if youre miller you need to openclaim miller" is a sad, dated, boring way to play, and even worse in a game where many people claimed miller already
Dumbass
Miller is a negative utility, and one that provides outs to scum by being a possibility. Having the meta be to claim it early prevents that. My homesite had a period of games where without fail there would be a negative-utility massclaim where everyone declared if their role had some sort of negative function to being targeted or not.
In post 997, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
This game so far has a lot of groups of 3-5 people suddenly voting for the same person and it's unnerving me
Hey look it's my turn! Really don't know what you people want from me here because this one is perfectly fine to keep sitting in the back for the time being.
I agree that we're in a weird gamestate of vote tennis right now with pushes flying about from person to person without any really sticking, but what would your preference be? Where do you think we should be moving this game?
Well, this is gonna be a little ironic from someone who just said "idk what you all want" to their wagon but! Pushes flying from one person to the other isn't
bad
? We're just not really doing anything with it imo. It seems to me that everyone who's gotten a big sudden push like Elements or Gimli or whoever hasn't flinched at all even tho we kinda critically need the pressure and reactions that a push should be providing. We need to squeeze people for their juice and see if it makes scumade or townade and EVEN THEN probably not kill them immediately?? We have 2-week Day phases we have ALOT of time to get people to talk and this one doesn't think that even if we found a consensus on someone being scum this very instant that it'd be a good idea to flip them anytime soon.
not a person, just a doll~
this one refers to itself in the third person Get To Know A Doll
In post 997, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
This game so far has a lot of groups of 3-5 people suddenly voting for the same person and it's unnerving me
Hey look it's my turn! Really don't know what you people want from me here because this one is perfectly fine to keep sitting in the back for the time being.
I agree that we're in a weird gamestate of vote tennis right now with pushes flying about from person to person without any really sticking, but what would your preference be? Where do you think we should be moving this game?
Well, this is gonna be a little ironic from someone who just said "idk what you all want" to their wagon but! Pushes flying from one person to the other isn't
bad
? We're just not really doing anything with it imo. It seems to me that everyone who's gotten a big sudden push like Elements or Gimli or whoever hasn't flinched at all even tho we kinda critically need the pressure and reactions that a push should be providing. We need to squeeze people for their juice and see if it makes scumade or townade and EVEN THEN probably not kill them immediately?? We have 2-week Day phases we have ALOT of time to get people to talk and this one doesn't think that even if we found a consensus on someone being scum this very instant that it'd be a good idea to flip them anytime soon.
I like this answer a hell of a lot. Was worried about you just sitting back and letting apathy take the wheel for town (it's kinda what I thought you were doing hence the question) but yes I absolutely agree we need to make a wagon stick.
In post 1570, OopsieDaisy wrote:
I like this answer a hell of a lot. Was worried about you just sitting back and letting apathy take the wheel for town (it's kinda what I thought you were doing hence the question) but yes I absolutely agree we need to make a wagon stick.
This one would be doing more, maybe even joining those wagon hoppers, if it could form reads good. Buuuuut that's a skill issue on my end more than anything else.
not a person, just a doll~
this one refers to itself in the third person Get To Know A Doll
thinking about it more and
if most town are miller but not all
then it does actually probably become very important that not everyone that is miller claims miller
just you know
you will have to accept that if there is a standard cop-like investigative and you get guiltied then claiming miller afterwards will not save you
if however all town are miller
then that information needs to be known because it likely means that scum are informed of such and them knowing it can let them get away with some plays especially if there are other mechanics revolving around all town being millers
so unfortunately that is a bit of a catch-22 for the most town case
cannot figure out if it is most or all town that are millers without actually having a mass claim of miller/not miller which if most town then we probably do not want to have
well
technically once we have one non miller claim we would know but
and i mean
the modifier that i claimed does imply that it is most because it uh
does not change anything about my role if everyone investigates as scum
but idk it might just be trolling me or maybe there is something else that interacts with it
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
In post 997, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
This game so far has a lot of groups of 3-5 people suddenly voting for the same person and it's unnerving me
Hey look it's my turn! Really don't know what you people want from me here because this one is perfectly fine to keep sitting in the back for the time being.
I agree that we're in a weird gamestate of vote tennis right now with pushes flying about from person to person without any really sticking, but what would your preference be? Where do you think we should be moving this game?
Well, this is gonna be a little ironic from someone who just said "idk what you all want" to their wagon but! Pushes flying from one person to the other isn't
bad
? We're just not really doing anything with it imo. It seems to me that everyone who's gotten a big sudden push like Elements or Gimli or whoever hasn't flinched at all even tho we kinda critically need the pressure and reactions that a push should be providing. We need to squeeze people for their juice and see if it makes scumade or townade and EVEN THEN probably not kill them immediately?? We have 2-week Day phases we have ALOT of time to get people to talk and this one doesn't think that even if we found a consensus on someone being scum this very instant that it'd be a good idea to flip them anytime soon.
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