Mini Normal 2310 | Day 7

[Abnegation]

i think i've played with a few of you.

observation: the presence or absence of scum multitasking is not noted anywhere in the original modposts. i wonder if that means we're up against all goons?

[Abnegation]

i think i've played with a few of you.

observation: the presence or absence of scum multitasking is not noted anywhere in the original modposts. i wonder if that means we're up against all goons?

What does this second part even mean?

well, usually the mod would tell us whether or not the mafia can multitask by default (commit the kill and use whatever abilities they have in the same night). when i skimmed the rules post, i noticed that the mod didn't actually make a ruling on this. i'm speculating that maybe the reason for the oversight is that the mafia don't have any abilities to use, and therefore it doesn't matter if they can multitask or not.
in that vein,

@mod - is multitasking enabled by default?

[Abnegation]

i think i've played with a few of you.

observation: the presence or absence of scum multitasking is not noted anywhere in the original modposts. i wonder if that means we're up against all goons?

What does this second part even mean?

well, usually the mod would tell us whether or not the mafia can multitask by default (commit the kill and use whatever abilities they have in the same night). when i skimmed the rules post, i noticed that the mod didn't actually make a ruling on this. i'm speculating that maybe the reason for the oversight is that the mafia don't have any abilities to use, and therefore it doesn't matter if they can multitask or not.
in that vein,

@mod - is multitasking enabled by default?

I see. Is that something specific you look for every game?

i don't specifically look for it, but i always give the rules and setup info at least a skim. multitasking-or-not is something i'm used to seeing in the setup post and it stuck out to me that it was missing.

[Abnegation]

could just be a mistake yk

oh, for sure, i'm not saying it's absolutely a modslip. there just isn't much to post about yet so might as well throw some speculation out there.

[Abnegation]

Alright I looked at some other games’ rules posts, I’m new to that particular thing, wasn’t a thing when I played here awhile ago.

Because it appears to be a thing here on site (I did see a couple that didn’t mention the multitasking whatsoever). That particular piece of setup spec makes more sense to me so gonna

UNVOTE: Abnegation

I think it would be weird for scum to make the particular comment that he did with the above in mind, so Ima sliiight lean town on abneg.


I doubt that we could rely on the absence of multitasking in the rules to tell us anything though.

Back on you my vote goes

VOTE: davesaz

this is fakeable but it looks like good-faith solving, i'll give it a bit of a townlean for now.

p-edit: yeah, doing preflip associatives is pretty common now (though not always advisable).

[Abnegation]

I know I should unvote, but I like some pressure on Anaconda.

let's add some more then!

VOTE: abnegation

[Abnegation]

Anyone ever read games they wrote ten years ago?
Was everyone cringe or just me?

i wasn't here ten years ago but my old games do make me cringe lol.

[Abnegation]

my townstreak will reach the triple digits before i get to do that lol.

[Abnegation]

I like Hu Tao’s response to my pressure.

cCS, I like less.

I know it’s literally been a day since we started but I’m surprised people are not reacting to abnegation’s self vote.

That’s my thoughts right now. See y’all later tonight or tomorrow

i'm a little surprised too, oftentimes there is more of a reaction from people who don't know i do that a lot.

I think it's relevant in the sense that the vote isn't being used elsewhere, perhaps to push someone. In this context there isn't much difference between ignoring you've been voted vs. self voting as a reaction. But it is different from saying things about those who agree/disagree/ignore the reasons for the votes.
my approach to joke self-votes is this: if i can, i will. i don't really care if it's an unproductive use of my vote or whatever, it's fun.
i didn't say much about the votes on me because i don't find them particularly ai and there isn't much to respond to in the reasoning. thinking i couldn't have noticed the multitasking ruling was missing is...understandable i guess? but i did notice it. i also noticed that executed players can't talk during twilight for some reason, which is definitely not the norm, and (conveniently?) neglected to mention it until now. i really don't know what towncred i get out of posting that kind of speculation though.

p-edit: what's the reasoning for that vote?

[Abnegation]

ebwop to fix the quoting.

I like Hu Tao’s response to my pressure.

cCS, I like less.

I know it’s literally been a day since we started but I’m surprised people are not reacting to abnegation’s self vote.

That’s my thoughts right now. See y’all later tonight or tomorrow

i'm a little surprised too, oftentimes there is more of a reaction from people who don't know i do that a lot.

I think it's relevant in the sense that the vote isn't being used elsewhere, perhaps to push someone. In this context there isn't much difference between ignoring you've been voted vs. self voting as a reaction. But it is different from saying things about those who agree/disagree/ignore the reasons for the votes.

my approach to joke self-votes is this: if i can, i will. i don't really care if it's an unproductive use of my vote or whatever, it's fun.
i didn't say much about the votes on me because i don't find them particularly ai and there isn't much to respond to in the reasoning. thinking i couldn't have noticed the multitasking ruling was missing is...understandable i guess? but i did notice it. i also noticed that executed players can't talk during twilight for some reason, which is definitely not the norm, and (conveniently?) neglected to mention it until now. i really don't know what towncred i get out of posting that kind of speculation though.

p-edit: what's the reasoning for that vote?

[Abnegation]

It just seems like all of their posts are joking around instead of trying to do something

what are you trying to do with the vote? do you actually find that scum-indicative or is it more of a pressure vote to try to get them to do something?

[Abnegation]

It just seems like all of their posts are joking around instead of trying to do something

what are you trying to do with the vote? do you actually find that scum-indicative or is it more of a pressure vote to try to get them to do something?

I think it's scum indicative

i will have to disagree with you on that.

[Abnegation]

i may have a meta read on leek, but need to check a couple more games.
this post is mainly a note to self to do that tonight.

[Abnegation]

It just seems like all of their posts are joking around instead of trying to do something

what are you trying to do with the vote? do you actually find that scum-indicative or is it more of a pressure vote to try to get them to do something?

I think it's scum indicative

i will have to disagree with you on that.

was hoping the response to 138 might be ai but i'm not really getting anything from it.

[Abnegation]

i may have a meta read on leek, but need to check a couple more games.
this post is mainly a note to self to do that tonight.

update: i never got around to this, will do tomorrow.

[Abnegation]

i may have a meta read on leek, but need to check a couple more games.
this post is mainly a note to self to do that tonight.

update: i never got around to this, will do tomorrow.

do I know you? I can't recall

not really. i modded newbie 2125 on my main account, but we haven't played together.
i opened up your iso this game and 67 struck me as a little odd in comparison to the rest of it. you said you like hu tao for pushing the game forward and saying what they don't like instead of fluffposting, but i don't see you doing much of that yourself. you've got a couple of one-liner townreads, a couple of fluffposts, and a few clarifying questions that don't really lead much of anywhere. if i look back to newbie 2125 (iso link), there was more analyzing and pushing people and using your vote in the initial pages. it was pretty clear that you were trying to get reads on every slot. i'm not seeing that from you here. i had a look at the beginning of newbie 2122 as well, and it also seems quite different from this game. for some reason i thought you had more games than that but it seems that's it.
i realize this might seem contradictory with my blackstar interaction (namely 145), so i'll just clarify now. i don't find low-content posting scummy by itself. it's the context of the posting that's pinging me in this situation.

[Abnegation]

Leek is pretty devoid of content, how did you manage to get double digit posts and hardly say anything?

i think you will like 164 then.

[Abnegation]

I don't see the purpose for Abnegation to still be self voting. It's still the first 1/4 of day so being on the sidelines isn't urgent yet, but it isn't doing anything to advance the game and that's troubling.

now that i have a lead, i can vote. i was occupied with marathon all afternoon so couldn't get to it then.
admittedly not the strongest read in the world but worth pursuing, methinks.

VOTE: szmarzleek

[Abnegation]

I think camel is town.

Abnegation is town, let's be honest it's fine if RVS votes stay until page 7.

Now that the leek thing is pointed out my tentative TR on him has crumbled. If I vote soon then I'm voting there.

Klaz also town imo.

i don't think you ever mentioned townreading leek?

[Abnegation]

actually that might be a townslip.

[Abnegation]

actually that might be a townslip.

How?

it points towards kitty having a real read on leek that they just didn't post for whatever reason, as opposed to making up a townread "crumbling" when they'd never even mentioned one.

[Abnegation]

actually that might be a townslip.

How?

it points towards kitty having a real read on leek that they just didn't post for whatever reason, as opposed to making up a townread "crumbling" when they'd never even mentioned one.

i feel like i'm not explaining this very well but i can't think how to explain it better.

[Abnegation]

actually that might be a townslip.

How?

it points towards kitty having a real read on leek that they just didn't post for whatever reason, as opposed to making up a townread "crumbling" when they'd never even mentioned one.

i feel like i'm not explaining this very well but i can't think how to explain it better.

Meh that seems like a stretch, they also could have just made up the town read and forgot they actually posted said read.

I am watching you Aspartame.

i mean, they could have gotten mixed up, it just vibes town to me and idk how to explain it.

[Abnegation]

actually that might be a townslip.

How?

it points towards kitty having a real read on leek that they just didn't post for whatever reason, as opposed to making up a townread "crumbling" when they'd never even mentioned one.

i feel like i'm not explaining this very well but i can't think how to explain it better.

Meh that seems like a stretch, they also could have just made up the town read and forgot they actually posted said read.

I am watching you Aspartame.

i mean, they could have gotten mixed up, it just vibes town to me and idk how to explain it.

I will admit, genuinely happy for you that you finally rolled scum.

i did actually roll scum today, rolled red in marathon secret hitler. that was...an experience.

[Abnegation]

actually that might be a townslip.

How?

it points towards kitty having a real read on leek that they just didn't post for whatever reason, as opposed to making up a townread "crumbling" when they'd never even mentioned one.

i feel like i'm not explaining this very well but i can't think how to explain it better.

Meh that seems like a stretch, they also could have just made up the town read and forgot they actually posted said read.

I am watching you Aspartame.

i mean, they could have gotten mixed up, it just vibes town to me and idk how to explain it.

I will admit, genuinely happy for you that you finally rolled scum.

i did actually roll scum today, rolled red in marathon secret hitler. that was...an experience.

Oh I love that game, hope someone runs another one during marathon.

i might run one myself if i feel like it tomorrow. we'll see though.

[Abnegation]

is your sr on me a serious read?

[Abnegation]

is your sr on me a serious read?

Do I ever joke around?

no, i've literally never seen you make a joke post. are you implying your read is a joke? that's weird. i'm keeping an eye on you.
(i figured, but i thought it better to ask than to assume)

[Abnegation]

I read your analysis on me Abnegation and... there isn't a single lie or distortion there.

Indeed I'm playing differently here. I noticed that too and it's not intentional. It seems like this game is slow and there's not a lot of content. It's a bit weird and might come up as hypocritical that I'm not creating content myself and say there's not a lot, but it feels weird that we have 8 pages for 13 players. I'm used to higher level of activity. Then I have stuff to read and act upon. This game feels ultra slow and a bit awkward. Like eg. , we're talking about some guy voting himself. That's not much to go with and like, some fluff and NAI to me, especially at this phase. I don't have stuff to work with. Expect more from me, the more content we have. Right now I'm just waiting for stuff to happen. I'm not sure if we're still in a fluffy phase + RVS stage or not. Doesn't feel like this game has started properly. That's my vibes here.

you're right that there is less to work with here. i'm not fully persuaded to move my vote yet, but you make some decent points.

eg votes on camel are weird for me, because he seems to have a towny chill and not giving a damn vibe judging their entrance.

would you say you scumread any of the voters?

Abnegation does modding help you play better? Never modded a game and probably won't, one of the mods in my community says it helps improve the scum/town skills when they play. Wondering if you share that view.

i find that it's occasionally useful for information-gathering purposes (making observations about player meta, which tells are effective, etc.), but i wouldn't say it does much to improve my skills. it probably depends on the person.

[Abnegation]

Hiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!

hiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!

[Abnegation]

I can think of at least three ways for Flavor Leaf to be this way, one each town, scum, and NAI. The town and NAI ones shouldn't be discussed and can't be discussed respectively.
Reserved FL isn't something I see too often, though as I mentioned before it's been quite a while. If I had to guess I'd say it's the NAI version.

Hu and Klaz feel like they're solving, and townleans. If I had to pick one of them to be a scumlean it would be Hu but that's primarily driven by a feeling that voting is the main way of generating conflict to get reads from, which makes me biased against not voting.

I don't see the purpose for Abnegation to still be self voting. It's still the first 1/4 of day so being on the sidelines isn't urgent yet, but it isn't doing anything to advance the game and that's troubling.

OK why even mention the the town possibility shouldn't be discussed, it just brings attention to the fact that you think he's a PR anyway. I also don't think your would-be scumlean on Hu is genuine.

something does seem off with this post now that you mention it. the "if i had to pick one of my townleans to be a scumlean" phrasing is a bit weird. i know i've thought, "if i'm wrong on one of my townreads it's X," and, "i'm least confident in X being town," but this reads differently from that. the trying to make a townlean into a scumlean feels artificial.

I think camel is town.

Abnegation is town, let's be honest it's fine if RVS votes stay until page 7.

Now that the leek thing is pointed out my tentative TR on him has crumbled. If I vote soon then I'm voting there.

Klaz also town imo.

Ab, Kitty isn't saying they posted a TR on Leek, he's saying that he had a tentative TR on him in his mind.

i know that, that's what i meant.

[Abnegation]

feeling better about szmarzleek's recent posting, this is closer to what i've seen from them before.

UNVOTE:

[Abnegation]

Stay silent? It'd make me look even worse.

This is ringing a little bell in my brain. Why do you care how you look?

it's actually ringing the opposite bell for me. i wouldn't expect scum to openly admit that they care how they look. i'd think most scum that aren't completely new would be aware that saying that can come off suspicious and avoid doing it, unless it's some sort of wifom play relying on the expectation that people will use the logic i'm using here.

[Abnegation]

decent d1 lims at this point:
KittyTacky
geraintm
Nono

regarding this list

does any name here strike you personally as "that'd be a bad lim" or "hell no, I won't put a vote there d1"?

who is this addressed to?

[Abnegation]

decent d1 lims at this point:
KittyTacky
geraintm
Nono

regarding this list

does any name here strike you personally as "that'd be a bad lim" or "hell no, I won't put a vote there d1"?

i would say i have a light townread on kittytacky and wouldn't vote there if i had to choose now. undecided on the other two.

[Abnegation]

actually idk who i'd vote if i had to choose now, probably should open up some isos.

[Abnegation]

something does seem off with this post now that you mention it. the "if i had to pick one of my townleans to be a scumlean" phrasing is a bit weird. i know i've thought, "if i'm wrong on one of my townreads it's X," and, "i'm least confident in X being town," but this reads differently from that. the trying to make a townlean into a scumlean feels artificial.

I don't see what's the difference in these different ways to say the same thing. They all boil down to "I think x but if I'm wrong then it's Y". Maybe it's the engineer/programmer thing?

meh, i could be grasping at straws here. they are pretty much the same thing, just different ways of looking at it. the way you phrased it felt oddly forced because i don't get why you would feel like you'd need to pick one of your townleans to be a scumlean. or am i misunderstanding your intention with that statement?
i don't think this is enough to warrant a vote fwiw.

[Abnegation]

i claim innocent child.

[Abnegation]

abnegation, you willing to take a stance?

i'm going to read some isos tonight and then i'll vote.

[Abnegation]

something unexpected came up -

v/la until saturday.

[Abnegation]

i am basically back from v/la, but i don't have time to read this game tonight, should hopefully be able to get to it tomorrow.

[Abnegation]

oh god, so many new pages. let's see.

[Abnegation]

i'll have to do a bit more reading into the leek votes but i could maybe go back there.

[Abnegation]

I don't think there's any track if town motivation in wanting a mass claim so early.

Sure there is - PRs often play like mafia. It's difficult to solve the game when you have townies playing like mafs. i like to just remove that variable because i think my solving abilities when everything is out on the table outweigh the potential benefit of the prs

but like also i know no one would ever actually be down for that, so it's mostly in jest

Drew/Daves/cCS/nono are still the flips I want to see. I wouldn't go Daves today because of Kitty locktowning him. nono being a bugspray archetype changes things -- from scummy to eternal coin flip. I'm not sure there's a reliable way to read them. cCS is the most "this is a hit" feel.

You wouldn't lim someone because someone else on D1, who admittedly has said they aren't great on D1, has lock towned them?

You certainly puzzle me to no end, how am I supposed to think that you are anything but scum?

Yes because a random lock town read that doesn't make sense could mean they're masons (those are in normal games? I don't know where to find the list). Hence why the mass claim thing popped up in my mind at the time. I like to remove all of these pesky variables that make people act scummy when they aren't.

i think i will die laughing if ame flips red. if these are scum posts, this is the most blatant openwolfing i have ever seen and i respect it. but it reads town lol.

[Abnegation]

I don't think there's any track if town motivation in wanting a mass claim so early.

Sure there is - PRs often play like mafia. It's difficult to solve the game when you have townies playing like mafs. i like to just remove that variable because i think my solving abilities when everything is out on the table outweigh the potential benefit of the prs

but like also i know no one would ever actually be down for that, so it's mostly in jest

Drew/Daves/cCS/nono are still the flips I want to see. I wouldn't go Daves today because of Kitty locktowning him. nono being a bugspray archetype changes things -- from scummy to eternal coin flip. I'm not sure there's a reliable way to read them. cCS is the most "this is a hit" feel.

You wouldn't lim someone because someone else on D1, who admittedly has said they aren't great on D1, has lock towned them?

You certainly puzzle me to no end, how am I supposed to think that you are anything but scum?

Yes because a random lock town read that doesn't make sense could mean they're masons (those are in normal games? I don't know where to find the list). Hence why the mass claim thing popped up in my mind at the time. I like to remove all of these pesky variables that make people act scummy when they aren't.

i think i will die laughing if ame flips red. if these are scum posts, this is the most blatant openwolfing i have ever seen and i respect it. but it reads town lol.

surely no scumbucket is ballsy enough to try that...right?

[Abnegation]

I really like nono's 722. The questions to Tao and observation of Ab. I do think the quoted post from Ab is off and seems the most TMI of the players who have posted about my mass claim thing.

VOTE: Abnegation

i really don't understand how that suggests i have tmi but whatever.

[Abnegation]

Yeah, we have one day.

Please come over to Leek. They've been doing nothing and letting Ame do all the dirty work for them because Ame got pocketed. Please break up the Ame-Leek pair, and we confirm who is correct with the Leek slot.

sure, i don't mind going back. to clarify about my prior unvote, i wouldn't say i was townreading leek there, just felt good enough about them to leave them for the time being.

VOTE: szmarzleek

e-2.

[Abnegation]

VOTE: kittytacky

[Abnegation]

vt, and i've been informed that geraintm targeted me.

[Abnegation]

I think camel is town.

Abnegation is town, let's be honest it's fine if RVS votes stay until page 7.

Now that the leek thing is pointed out my tentative TR on him has crumbled. If I vote soon then I'm voting there.

Klaz also town imo.

i don't think you ever mentioned townreading leek?

actually that might be a townslip.

actually that might be a townslip.

How?

it points towards kitty having a real read on leek that they just didn't post for whatever reason, as opposed to making up a townread "crumbling" when they'd never even mentioned one.

i feel like i'm not explaining this very well but i can't think how to explain it better.

there's nothing i can really say to this regardless of alignment here. i derped and defended scum. it happens. i understand how it looks.
seems we have a cop guilty anyway, so if people feel that i need to be executed tomorrow i'm down to die. but for now, VOTE: nono.

[Abnegation]

only e-2 by my count.

[Abnegation]

just going to unvote so we don't cut massclaim short.

UNVOTE:

by that post, i mean i got a message from the mod that said geraintm targeted me n2, meaning they have the loud modifier.

[Abnegation]

gera heal seems pretty likely.

[Abnegation]

don’t know if I’m hammered but w/eVOTE: abneg

why do you want to vote me over the person who is confscum to you?

[Abnegation]

i am a bit loose in the head

Actually, I'll start the claiming today.

I'm Vanilla.

I am officially locking myself out of claiming, which for me, is garbo if I were ever scum, not that anyone is pushing me as scum here, I feel I'm pretty obv town.

Ame's just too tunnelfucked to see this game straight, and doesn't understand why it doesn't matter and can be beneficial to just powerfade and get through Day 1's.

you're not, he actually did claim that.

[Abnegation]

does anyone object to a hammer?

[Abnegation]

i'm a cop too!

n1 roleblocked
n2 forgot

[Abnegation]

So Dave, Abnegation, and Drew, you're the last to not claim, so yeah, it's basically time.

Snivy is a Neighborizer who neighborized Hu Tao N1, me N2. I claimed Vanilla in there.

My Day 2 Twilight aged very well.

i did claim, i’m vanilla.

[Abnegation]

yeah, i don't believe a word of hu tao's today.

VOTE: hu tao

e-2.

[Abnegation]

assuming we're right, we have two yeets left. that is less than i thought.
last scum is probably in drew/dave.
i do need to take another look at snivy though.

[Abnegation]

why would anyone claim cop as miller anyway?

[Abnegation]

For Snivy to be scum, they need to have neighborized Hu Tao partner Night 1 to setup for it to look like it.

Not saying it didn’t happen, just would require it.

It kinda just looks like Hu Tao worked Snivy. It was a good work, can’t blame Snivy if Snivy town.

I’m a little salty at myself because I KNEW Nono felt townie on Day 2, and that Hu Tao felt scummy, but it’s okay. It was a hard one to try to turn on Hu Tao anyways, and I still got worked.

It was just very well played by Hu Tao.

good point about the neighbourize, i missed that.

[Abnegation]

gera found that i didn't go anywhere, not "no result." "no result" is for a failed action and is distinct from the result you get when your target doesn't take an action.

[Abnegation]

People who know normals - what is the scope of this power that Kitty had - "You are informed that __________________________________."

it's most likely information about a specific player's role, or about a role or type of role that exists in the setup.
informed wiki page might be helpful.

[Abnegation]

People who know normals - what is the scope of this power that Kitty had - "You are informed that __________________________________."

it's most likely information about a specific player's role, or about a role or type of role that exists in the setup.
informed wiki page might be helpful.

to be clear, i'm not implying that the first is likelier than the second here.

[Abnegation]

i don't see any reason for gera not to claim publicly?

[Abnegation]

Leaf's post makes sense, def we all come back after all the claims to work things out but i find it hard to believe i am voting anyone who fake claimed like that and got a cop killed.

As it sits now, scum have to guess who the doc is (presuming there wasn't a different reason for no-kill) and try to kill there or risk another no-kill, leaving two investigatives free to act. I don't think mass claim is the right move here.

have a notification!

[Abnegation]

could have been informed of a Cop in the game.

Doctor, Cop, Tracker, Miller, Neighborizer PR's in this game, interesting.

my "all goons" speculation didn't age so well lol.

[Abnegation]

What in the actual shit.....

I was trying to say I was voting Hu, I don't know how my post even happened.

i got the 0.00 error when i tried to pm the mod about it too. something about quoting the vc triggers it.

[Abnegation]

VC is corrected.

thank you!

[Abnegation]

In the neighborhood last night, Snivy was pretty down to be on the same page, so it's possible Geraint saw and wanted to take that out. Bussing that way from Geraint's side is just weird, though, and for them to be scum, it requires them to be Multitasking Roleblocker Loud (Insert Role Here), where Loud only effects the 2nd role.

i really don't think it's that complicated, most of the other roles have been pretty simple.

[Abnegation]

But I’m still curious to why you didn’t mention abnegation over me/Dave.

you posted 1068 earlier and leaf agreed with you, so why ask this?

[Abnegation]

Because I wanted to know why he didn’t mention you in that post.

Tbh the fact FL mentions me in that grouping makes me feel better about FL overall. I was worried that he was just trying to say “good things” about me to help tilt my mindset to not going for him.

i thought it was pretty obvious why i wasn't mentioned there.
i don't really think you're scum, just don't understand this line of questioning from you.

p-edit: yay, wifom.

[Abnegation]

i'm here, i'm around, just doing backreading right now and trying to figure out what is even going on lol.
i do townread klazam, based on:
- the miller claim
- the analysis in 1035, which i think is very solid
- this early-game interaction with hu tao:

Spoiler:

I know I should unvote, but I like some pressure on Anaconda.

let's add some more then!

VOTE: abnegation

The fuck you doing.

most likely klazam is either town or paired with abnegation

Suspicious post. I think it's too early for that

You've said a couple things are suspicious. What will be your threshold for a vote?

Why do I need to vote? It's 2 or 3 pages in, of course I'm trying to find things I find suspicious.

I actually am agreeing with Dave here- your vote is your most powerful tool. Poking at things verbally with no action behind it makes seems like you’re trying to play it safe.

Here’s how to use your vote.

VOTE: hu tao

Thank you for showing me how to vote, I'm glad someone gave me such valuable information

So why aren’t you voting Abneg?

So why aren’t you voting Abneg?

Because I don't want to. What are you going to do? Vote me for not voting?

i'll have more to say on other slots in a bit.

[Abnegation]

alright.
first of all, let me make myself an unofficial votecount.

flavor leaf (2): klazam, doctor drew
doctor drew (1): flavor leaf

It makes no sense for that to be S/S, just to flip the next day after the guilty.

I feel like Hu Tao and I were clearly opposing each other all game.

technically, if you're scum you'd probably know what hu tao's plan was (as they did soft the "guilty" d2) and could prepare that to make yourself look good if/when they go down.

I also feel it doesn’t make sense for scumMe to clear Drew, Abnegation, you, Davesaz and Geraint here?

Like I actively town cased all 5 of you too.

Drew says they don’t know about the other slots, but it’s Day 5, and they have nothing to say on the other slots?

He’s leaving them open for tomorrow if he gets through today.

If I were scum, I have to deal with being wrong about Drew and I have to turn on a town read in a situation where I was wrong in a 1v1 scenario.

this is a good point, who are you going to vote if drew flips green? you probably don't get klazam through and you say you're townreading dave more.

everyone has replied now i believe.
i tracked Dr Drew last night and got.......

nothing. he was a good boy and stayed home

Really curious, FL, in your discussion about all the mechanics and stuff regarding Abnegation, why did you not mention this?

I have to admit I completely forgot this, and it feels like you’re kind of trying to bury this. Why would Drew not roleblock someone on N3?

I have actually mentioned it a few times in game thread, and Abneg/Geraint can confirm I mentioned it in neighborhood too.

We do not have any confirmations of a Roleblock happening on Night 3. Why wouldn’t Geraint get roleblocked that Night if scum had access to a roleblocker.

There’s a few scenarios:

One, during that day phase, we talked about Drew getting tracked. So one theory is they purposefully withheld while Hu Tao made the kill so they could get tracked and cleared.

The 2nd theory, is that they are an Even-Night Multitasking Roleblocker.

Geraint got roleblocked last night on Night 4, Nono on Night 2. Because Snivy also died, this confirms that the last scum is a Multitasking Roleblocker as is.

I would honestly like abneg/gera’s thoughts on FL within the neighborhood.

I feel like this discussion is drowning everyone else out so I’m going to go silent now

i can confirm the things he said about the neighbourhood are true.

I would like to think you are laughing at my wifom joke.

But, this isn't townFlavor. At least person besides him here knows I understand their town game.

The last sentence is true. And you know I am town.

You aren’t trying to read me, you’re trying to fade me.

There is the big difference between your play this game versus how my play was.

I have explained and pushed you as scum. You have simply discredit and pushed to misfade.

You literally pushed for my misfade today.

I have been trying to read you from the second I repped in this game, only was distracted by Ame.

I have read you, and you are scum......and I am appealing to Alianna's emotions at least, she knows I can read you......I just hope she trusts me.

i do know that. the problem is i don't trust you lol.
i said it in the hood already, but my gut is telling me drew vs. leaf is definitely not tvt.
not sure if i could explain this very well but it almost reminds me of the chatgpt endgame in some way.
the question is...who is who?
i'm not sold just yet, but unfortunately for you, leaf is very compelling.

[Abnegation]

I’ll do one better

I believe Doctor Drew is exactly a Multitasking Even Night Roleblocker.

not even night, i was blocked 2 nights in a row

well, that explains why he never claimed visited by you.

[Abnegation]

Wait, gera is loud?

yes, i got a message that they targeted me n2.

[Abnegation]

I don't think I am invested in this game enough to state my case anymore, Lim me, and then figure things out tomorrow(btw I go out of my way to stay invested when I am scum).

I said what I needed to say

i almost believe this?
hold on, let me find a quote.

[Abnegation]

here's what i was looking for.

Spoiler: quote from town!drew

I wonder if the defeated “hammer away” attitude would really come from last scum. Even though I’ve literally seen scum do that. Paranoia go brr.

I definitely don't get defeated as scum, I would be flipping tables lol, I accepted it quite awhile ago.

I also feel confident it is between Merlyn and T3. And I see that there is a little support for T3 so I feel the town is in good-ish hands.

[Abnegation]

but if it isn't you, idk who it is.
i'm having a hard time seeing leaf!scum after yesterday (irl yesterday not game yesterday).
ughhh, maybe i have to re-read dave? not that that would actually get voted though lol.
i can't shake the svt vibe i get from leaf vs. drew though.
mafia is hard.

[Abnegation]

Maybe Abnegation is just a scum Ninja, and if so, I’m willing to let them win this game

if i'm ninja and i had kitty do the kill instead of me n1, i don't think i deserve to win lol.

[Abnegation]

Hu and Klaz feel like they're solving, and townleans. If I had to pick one of them to be a scumlean it would be Hu but that's primarily driven by a feeling that voting is the main way of generating conflict to get reads from, which makes me biased against not voting.

i feel like this line has to be ai but which way? scum being self-conscious and tmi-ish or town because that statement could stick out after scumbuddy!tao flips?

[Abnegation]

<Not paired>
- davesaz <Calls dave town being TOP of kitty's reads list, I doubt scum would be this brave, esp one who puts hu in the null bucket. also keeps calling solvy, same as me and camel.>

but this read from klazam is good imo.

and then there are these, think leaf might have pointed this out already in hood but these interactions sound really discredity, only on hu tao's end though.

Spoiler: quotes

I can think of at least three ways for Flavor Leaf to be this way, one each town, scum, and NAI. The town and NAI ones shouldn't be discussed and can't be discussed respectively.
Reserved FL isn't something I see too often, though as I mentioned before it's been quite a while. If I had to guess I'd say it's the NAI version.

Hu and Klaz feel like they're solving, and townleans. If I had to pick one of them to be a scumlean it would be Hu but that's primarily driven by a feeling that voting is the main way of generating conflict to get reads from, which makes me biased against not voting.

I don't see the purpose for Abnegation to still be self voting. It's still the first 1/4 of day so being on the sidelines isn't urgent yet, but it isn't doing anything to advance the game and that's troubling.

So your analysis is that FL posting is either Town, scum or NAI? Groundbreaking.. this post feels like filler. And your reason for your possible scumlean is basically what klazam said

So your analysis is that FL posting is either Town, scum or NAI? Groundbreaking.. this post feels like filler.

That's a surface level interpretation. Saying "it could be one of these things" and then clearly choosing one of them is hardly filler.

And your choice was NAI which means it could be either

I like Nono's new posts.
KittyTacky said some things that resonated, in particular about how it's a fallacy that only scum care how they look. Not enough for a real townread, will need to see some evidence of trying to sort.
Geraintm took a poke or two but didn't really follow up that I can tell. I'd be willing to go there.

I'm not sure about Leek's motivation in asking about the list in the first place. It seems kinda weak to go after unproductive people. Not enough for a scumread, but definitely worth watching.

Nono's posts have just been saying that I'm scum. If you agree wouldn't you be saying I was scum? Don't think I've seen you say that

Like and agree are different things to me. And as I say a few posts later, it was in comparison to what the slot had done before that so maybe premature to even say I like it lol

this game is giving me a headache.

[Abnegation]

If Kitty is town, Hu Tao is always scum based on ignoring strongman possibility.

But i think Kitty just is scum?

Ain't no way scum would strong arm kitty instead of just killing them if they saw the doctor soft if they were town.

yeah, i'll retract that reasoning.

Unfortunate for you, I know you are scum, and unfortunate for me, I think you know why.

i don't seriously scumread this, but if i put the tinfoil hat on, i can't help but see this post has some, uh,

implications

.

[Abnegation]

If Kitty is town, Hu Tao is always scum based on ignoring strongman possibility.

But i think Kitty just is scum?

Ain't no way scum would strong arm kitty instead of just killing them if they saw the doctor soft if they were town.

yeah, i'll retract that reasoning.

Unfortunate for you, I know you are scum, and unfortunate for me, I think you know why.

i don't seriously scumread this, but if i put the tinfoil hat on, i can't help but see this post has some, uh,

implications

.

I was trying to act like I was a Cop who had a guilty there, i claimed a fake guilty on Hu Tao recently as town, and then on top of that, I was trying to pull a kill away from Geraint, who I thought was the most likely to be killed there, which they probably were

i got that, i'd just find it very funny if you told your scumbuddy (whose alignment you're informed of) in the public thread that you know they're scum.

[Abnegation]

The real play is role Traitor, and do that to a townie, so when ya flip they all can’t shake that townie feeling

lol.

[Abnegation]

oof. i was hoping we wouldn’t rush this.

[Abnegation]

oof, gg scum.

[Abnegation]

What really stole the show was Hu Tao taking down the Town Cop. That move was just chef's kiss.

Scum Dave lurking in the background—just waiting—is scary stuff.

i’ll second, very well played by hu tao.