Mind Screw Mafia 3 (OVER)

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: Context

. What context?

[StrangerCoug]

Just for kicks,

FoS: Everybody including myself

to see if it does as I expect it to.

[StrangerCoug]

Just for kicks,

FoS: Everybody including myself

to see if it does as I expect it to.

:10bux: you will end up FoSing "Everybody including myself"

Yay. I'm $10.00 poorer. Could have used that.

Un-FoS: Everybody including myself

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: Tar
FOS: Tar

I suggest we wagon this to an actual majority, since in the lat two games there was information available to the players if they did so.

Let's try it, shall we?

Unvote: Context
Vote: Tarhalindur
FoS: Tarhalindur

[StrangerCoug]

LOGON:Isn't that the point?

Help not available

LOGON

Your PR is starting to annoy me, qwints.

Unvote
Vote: qwints

You know, that's awfully weak reasoning for a vote...

[StrangerCoug]

Knowing what to expect, I'm wary of policy-lynching qwints just because of his post restriction.

[StrangerCoug]

I think we've gotten the mod to "speak" quite a bit. I'm done pressuring him, so

unvote: Tarhalindur, un-FoS: Tarhalindur,

and

vote: Caboose

for voting qwints for his post restriction.

[StrangerCoug]

You were at one point, but you just said you're tempted to revote him. It is scummy to vote somebody on something that most likely cannot be helped. If qwints really does have a restriction that makes him post like that, than it is not voteworthy. I'm a gambling man, but I'm not gambling on voting somebody who, given that it's Mind Screw, simply might have the misfortune to be unable to communicate.

And if you're trying to use standard scumtells here, I can pretty safely say you're in the wrong game.

Then again, qwints could be the one accessing the Tarhalindur account, but that's speculating.

[StrangerCoug]

Go ahead and play by the book, Caboose. I don't think it'll win us the game, though.

[StrangerCoug]

I think it's kind of stupid to claim survivor on Day 1, but in a game where anything is possible...

[StrangerCoug]

It's

really

stupid to claim survivor any time before lylo, because lynching the survivor is usually good for a town. Since survivor will vote with the scum in endgame, lynching one doesn't bring a town loss any closer, but it does give all the protown power roles an extra night to get info.

I think I just convinced myself.

unvote, vote Empking

FoS qwints

QFT. Survivors shouldn't be allowed anywhere near LYLO, so let's off him.

Unvote: Caboose
FoS: Caboose
Vote: Empking

[StrangerCoug]

ok, but hasnt anyone else noticed that empking claimed he knew he was a mason with me, only a few pages back or something, and now he claims he doesnt know who hes joined with after i say im the psychologist, hes clearly just lied to the bone throughout

Didn't Empking claim survivor, too?

[StrangerCoug]

I do believe that once you hammered any further unvotes don't count. I'm not sure that was the hammer though.

Well, now we'll have to wait for the mod, now don't we?

[StrangerCoug]

I guess. We shouldn't stop while we wait for Tar though. Any other suspicions besides Empking?

Caboose's reason for voting qwints sucks, and I don't exactly like his playing by the book.

[StrangerCoug]

I bet you a dollar we need at least 20 to lynch Empking.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Where the heck did MafiaSSK come from!?

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: farside22 is female.

StrangerCoug: Shinji Ikari is male. (Granted, not your usual icon of manliness, but male nonetheless.) - Tar

Have StrangerCoug, Electra or Vi been on at any point in this game?

Yes I have, and I remember seeing Vi here too.

[StrangerCoug]

I was faking the post restriction. I won't comment on the ultimate question.

Damn you, one person messing with me is enough. I don't need two.

[StrangerCoug]

and why the hell wouldn't scum fake that PR?!?!

Because it's a plot. A plot to destroy the earth.

[StrangerCoug]

Vote TehVariable

dahill covered it already with a FoS, I'm feeling it's voteworthy.

Instead of going with the flow of suspicions, why don't you elaborate on yours?

Vote: Pesco47

[StrangerCoug]

Sorry, I'm here.

vote: Pacman281292

(qwints)
Is there anything scummy about me besides opportunism?

Seriously, BlakAdder, isn't this vote itself opportunistic? I thought that when you're alerted to a scum tell, you were supposed to defend why you did it, not acknowledge it and continue to do it.

Unvote
Vote: qwints

(BlakAdder)

[StrangerCoug]

Not really. This is just how I play, particularly around the first day or two in a large game.

so this is your response to the number of people voting for you..

It's hard to defend yourself when the only thing anyone has on you is "omg, opportunistic votes, diescumdie"

Opportunistic voting is not the entirety of your case. Attempting to use your meta to defend yourself is also part of this mix. I don't give a damn about other people's meta. I prefer to judge people by what is presented in front of me, not e.g. what was presented in a game that was played five years ago.

[StrangerCoug]

Well, that's hardly a relevant analogy, because all sources for my meta would be recent.

As extreme as the example was, it was supposed to prove my point.

[StrangerCoug]

Okay, don't know what else I can do, so I suppose I'll claim.
I'm Daniel Jackson from Stargate SG-1. I'm a Townie Monk, which means for me to win, the town must win the game, and I also must be lynched.
My ultimate activates upon my lynching. It allows me to choose a player, whose role PM will be posted in the thread.
I'm probably going to be lynched, which is kinda what I was aiming for, so if anyone has any suggestions for who to use my ultimate on, speak up. I was thinking qwints, but I'm open to suggestion.

Your main suspect. Enough said.

[StrangerCoug]

Okay, don't know what else I can do, so I suppose I'll claim.
I'm Daniel Jackson from Stargate SG-1. I'm a Townie Monk, which means for me to win, the town must win the game, and I also must be lynched.
My ultimate activates upon my lynching. It allows me to choose a player, whose role PM will be posted in the thread.
I'm probably going to be lynched, which is kinda what I was aiming for, so if anyone has any suggestions for who to use my ultimate on, speak up. I was thinking qwints, but I'm open to suggestion.

Your main suspect. Enough said.

i was actually gonna say choose Tarhalindur as that could clear up A LOT of confusion

That's another possibility if it works.

[StrangerCoug]

Damn you guys, you post a lot when I'm asleep ><

OK, guys, since I've lived to Day 3, my ultimate has been activated, and I've been given some inside information by the mod that I'd like to share with you, and he said it's OK.

We do indeed have a cult. We also have a player in the game not in the player list, but that might have been MafiaSSK.

[StrangerCoug]

Damn you guys, you post a lot when I'm asleep ><

OK, guys, since I've lived to Day 3, my ultimate has been activated, and I've been given some inside information by the mod that I'd like to share with you, and he said it's OK.

We do indeed have a cult. We also have a player in the game not in the player list, but that might have been MafiaSSK.

Jesters, SK, cult... survivor and lyncher should be next.

I wonder if we even have a mafia at all.

I thought for a moment that we've already lost all our survivors, but it turns out that I mistook the jesters for them.

I would not be surprised if the cult is the only strictly anti-town faction (left, anyway), but this is

REALLY

the wrong place to speculate about the setup.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't see a problem with Cephrir's posting rate. It's going by faster than I seem to be able to handle too, and I usually check my threads from bottom to top in my watchlist.

[StrangerCoug]

I would not object to a populartajo lynch.

What's the case?

[StrangerCoug]

I would not object to a populartajo lynch.

What's the case?

read

Well, when this game's going by at the rate it is, you miss stuff and you want stuff condensed down. That's why I don't think Cephrir is scum.

I don't like your answering for Xylthixlm either.

[StrangerCoug]

I would not object to a populartajo lynch.

What's the case?

DGB's case, plus I have a gut feeling that populartajo is operating off secret info (which he pointedly failed to deny in post 759).

OK, I get it now.

[StrangerCoug]

Has, if you had information that benefits more scum than town would you share it even if it confirms you as town?
It seems like you are not reading the thread.

Not only wouldn't I share it; I wouldn't even reference it in the first place unless absolutely necessary.

DGB is a bit off.

The medication must be working. Normally, I'm waaaay off.

And how exactly is that supposed to help the case on you?

FoS: DrippingGoofball

[StrangerCoug]

Has, if you had information that benefits more scum than town would you share it even if it confirms you as town?
It seems like you are not reading the thread.

Not only wouldn't I share it; I wouldn't even reference it in the first place unless absolutely necessary.

this is a very different situation. he failed to include that we have a free cop inv. controlled by the town which changes things a lot. and also, that he is one of the main candidates for the investigation.

So it is necessary for him to reference it; is this what I understand from your post?

[StrangerCoug]

Now, can we investigate other person?

Vi, dahill1, Stef, Kinetic, Machiavellian-Mafia, Xylthixlm, hasdgfas, hasdgfas, TehVariable, qwints

Specially one from this list?

Of these people, hasdgfas is obviously a double voter, so I think investigating him is a waste of time. TehVariable would make a nice investigation target IMO, and I have a gut feeling about qwints. But I don't think we have to investigate the people on your wagon. (I already activated and stated my ultimate, so I'm not a good investigation target.)

I think the two best investigation targets are Kairyuu and whomever he counterclaimed (the CPU quota came up while typing this, so I have no way of checking at this time).

[StrangerCoug]

@Strangercoug:

I think the two best investigation targets are Kairyuu and whomever he counterclaimed

I didn't counterclaim anyone. I was accused of being Mao (with the correct name of my night action) and was therefore forced to come out with a full claim to explain my actions (and that I'm not Mao).

That's what I meant.

[StrangerCoug]

I believe Kairyuu, so

vote: Cephrir (Xylthixlm)

for the investigation.

[StrangerCoug]

This is what you get in a mind screw game for not being careful—you screw your own mind.

Unvote: Cephrir (Xylthixlm)

[StrangerCoug]

This is what you get in a mind screw game for not being careful—you screw your own mind.

Unvote: Cephrir (Xylthixlm)

Xyl is by a long shot the towniest, sharpest scumhunter in the game.

For his vote, StrangerCoug becomes suspect. Now I have to look up the player order to vote for him, grrrrr.

My vote was based on a misunderstanding of how the claims were related. Honest mistakes ≠ scummy.

[StrangerCoug]

Origin claim: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

That should get you one step closer to activating your ultimate, Kairyuu

[StrangerCoug]

Origin claim: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Why? Kairyuu hasn't reached his ultimate yet, and needs to activate 3 more dreams of reality to do so. This is pointless for the time being.

I thought the origin claims were necessary for him to activate the ultimate.

DrippingGoofball's paranoia is noted.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not exactly sure I like Kairyuu anymore, but I think it's best to proceed with caution in terms of what he's been saying post-claim. Admitting to lying is a good way to kill people's own reads on you, and right now the neutral he claims (which I believe) is a best case scenario. I don't have any regrets with my origin claim at this time, but he needs to be watched carefully. For the moment, I think keeping him around will work out better in the long run.

I like DrippingGoofball even less and it comes off as wanting Kairyuu policy lynched. Yes, I'd normally invoke LAL on him too, but the first policy lynch we had this game didn't work out the way most of us wanted. This is a mind screw game, so I question

ANY

policy lynch working the way town wants it to.

Vote: Kinetic (DrippingGoofball)

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug's defence of Kairyuu is noted.

Just for kicks, everything past, present, and future is noted. I am aware of the dangers of believing what I do, though.

[StrangerCoug]

To play Devil's Editor, I think the part about Mao was covered in "everything I said about my win condition earlier was a lie".
Which doesn't make anything better, of course, but I think that's the explanation there.

"Devil's Editor"?

[StrangerCoug]

Ooo Kairyuu, please stop the omgus ad hominid attacks. They make me much more likely to push your lynch

and not care if its a mislynch.

Did you really need to post the bold?

Un-FoS: DrippingGoofball
FoS: Kinetic

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: I changed my FoS at post #1068.

I have -3 to spot checks on vote counts. - Tar

[StrangerCoug]

Happy scumday, DGB.

[StrangerCoug]

Okay, trying to get back into this game.

First of all, I believe Kairyuu mostly, but I'm sure he's still holding back things about his role. However, there's no point to whack-a-mole him - I would suggest whack-a-moling someone we really don't know anything about.

And then I think we should lynch Kairyuu.

You should probably read up first

What did I miss? I read like the last ten pages.

We've already whack-a-moled. The mole was Cephrir; he was town. This is for the lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: was = is

[StrangerCoug]

I WILL NOT believe any ''I'm a neutral, don't lynch me'' excuse after the fiasco in MSIII where we found out the neutral who we didn't lunch was an SK and won the game.

Vote Malthusis

(Kairyuu)

You do realize we're playing MSIII, right?

[StrangerCoug]

I WILL NOT believe any ''I'm a neutral, don't lynch me'' excuse after the fiasco in MSIII where we found out the neutral who we didn't lunch was an SK and won the game. Vote Malthusis (Kairyuu)

I realize this is WIFOM, but don't you think the odds of Tar anticipating this kind of mentality are pretty high? Plus, MS2 was a mini, here we still have 2x as many people as MS2 started with.

Considering Ceph and Seraphim both turned up town, I'm at a loss. I would like to see some other people contribute as we still have a lot of lurkers. What I'm seeing right now is a concerted manhunt on a likely neutral player (yes, self-aligned is neutral and, as seen with jesters, will not end the game) when we should be hunting scum. I wonder why that is.. Yes, his abilities affect everyone, in fact, for all intents and purposes, it seems to me that he IS Mr. Mind Screw.

Didn't we speedlynch one of the jesters for claiming a neutral role, while we're on this subject?

I still say DrippingGoofball should die. Kairyuu can be debated forever and ever whom he benefits, but voicing the lynch of a suspected player as sub-optimal ≠ scummy. Yes, I've had second thoughts about Kairyuu too. I have posted them. That means solely that I like him less. It does not mean that we should be wasting our time stringing up a player that brings us no closer to winning the game.

[StrangerCoug]

are you implying that Kairyuu is a jester?

unFoS. FoS StrangerCoug

No. Remembering a jester claiming neutral being lynched and thus getting us nowhere ≠ thinking Kairyuu is a jester claiming neutral and his lynch thus getting us nowhere. The only relevance jesters have to this topic of discussion is remembering one being speedlynched for claiming a neutral role (I believe survivor, but I have to go back and reread). Lynching Kairyuu, regardless of his actual role, will not get us any closer to winning unless he is a serial killer, which I don't see anything supporting.

[StrangerCoug]

are you implying that Kairyuu is a jester?

unFoS. FoS StrangerCoug

You have to vote Xyl if you want it to count against SC.

For FoS's, no you do not. We've said that a million times already.

Wake up.

[StrangerCoug]

Prove that a mass origin claim is scummy.

[StrangerCoug]

I seem to be talking to a brick wall, but then again a brick wall is being built in front of me. If he's scum (and I'll even go as far as to count SK as scum), then I'll eat my hat. Otherwise, don't say nobody warned you about this being a waste of time.

[StrangerCoug]

Hmmm. Didn't iamausername teach you anything about offering to eat a hat in relation to me StrangerCoug? It's quite interesting that you are the second person in 3 games to offer to eat a hat over me. I'm touched.

Yeah, now that you remind me.

[StrangerCoug]

Told you so, and on

BOTH

counts

[StrangerCoug]

OK, hasdgfas, since when is guessing how a lynch will turn out correctly scummy?

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug, are you cult?

No. The only reason I know a cult exists is because of the inside information I gained as per my Ultimate activating and revealed at the start of Day 3.

[StrangerCoug]

May I suggest lynching Rule 0? If it's out of the game, we get to see the rest of the rules right?

I like this.

It's worth a shot, and all my reads are weak, so why not?

Vote: Rule 0

[StrangerCoug]

Unvote: Rule 0

Let's find Chairman Mao.

[StrangerCoug]

Hi. People voting me. Did you miss the part where I'm ESSENTIALLY CONFIRMED? I can't be two alignments unless I was cult recruited. And if I was cult recruited, shouldn't you be looking for the leader? I doubt I'm running the Cult of Tweedle Dum here. Please recall past events when you make future votes.

I do see the benefit of going after the leader instead of the standard cultist, but that is not enough of a defense if you are a cultist.

Un-FoS

if necessary

FoS: TehVariable

Unvote: Rule 0

Let's find Chairman Mao.

Why? Are you just ignoring what just happened here?

No; I'm taking into account what just happened here.

[StrangerCoug]

I do see the benefit of going after the leader instead of the standard cultist, but that is not enough of a defense if you are a cultist.

Un-FoS if necessary
FoS: TehVariable

But I'm not, y'see. And there's no real justification for thinking I am. Unless you want to use the voting rule 0 justification which...hehehe, you did too. I could support your lynch just for that last.

No, I want to use the "deflecting suspicion elsewhere" justification.

No; I'm taking into account what just happened here.

You obviously didn't comment on it.

All right, then, I'll bite. I'm less familiar with Mind Screw games than you are, and the concern that the cult win condition could conceivably be lynching Rule 0 was enough to make me reconsider. I thought that, by saying "Let's find Chairman Mao", I was implying that that was the better option in my opinion.

[StrangerCoug]

Oh, you just missed the point. I meant the two votes that magically appeared on me without any justification. No one commented on those, when usually unjustified votes catch you hell.

My unvoting Rule 0 has nothing to do with the two unreasoned votes on you; in fact, I missed both of them.

If you mean deflecting to a cult leader, well, I'm not targetting a known target, so it'd be a pretty pathetic deflection, if needed.

That's what I meant—deflecting to whoever the cult leader is. I don't think it's voteworthy at this time, which is why I didn't vote you outright, but it is noted.

[StrangerCoug]

SC, are you intentionally missing the point or are you just stupid today?

I don't see myself as intentionally missing the point; I'm just saying the unvote has nothing to do with what you're talking about despite the latter being a valid concern. I do need occasional wake-up calls, though.

If you don't have a case, why are you voting?

Um, hello? I don't have a solid case on anybody, but I'm not voting anybody either.

[StrangerCoug]

And why are you saying the unvote had nothing to do with it? I didn't tie the two together, and I don't see why you are making out like I did.

I interpreted your asking if I ignored what happened as questioning the reasoning for my unvote.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC

If I told you that lynching Mao would not be a good thing, what would you think?

On its own, nothing different. I would need to see a believable reason first.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm confused about the safeclaim talk right now. What's up with this?

[StrangerCoug]

Un-FoS: TehVariable

[StrangerCoug]

Should we make everyone say the words for mafia falseclaim just in case Tar's powers are still working?

And how are we going to work this out, exactly?

Also, to MM and everyone else who did this, why do you have to do all the unvoting and voting things?

I didn't notice this from Machiavellian-Mafia, but I remember hasdgfas doing it. It's piqued my curiousity too, but I don't have reason to believe that it's scummy. Maybe this "vote cycling" is required to do something?

[StrangerCoug]

I'm back.

Mafia safeclaim
Mafia falseclaim
Mafia kill
Mafia groupkill
Mafia factionkill
Mafia nightkill

Suspicion to those who don't post!

*plugs ears*

[StrangerCoug]

*brain explodes*

[StrangerCoug]

-1) Bluehost, Bluehost (from Real Life), Neutral Corrupt Corporation, Brought Into the Game Then Destroyed By Modly Power, Day 4

I actually wanted to do that in my own game xD

[StrangerCoug]

Can I blame Tarhalindur for killing my brain?

[StrangerCoug]

Can I blame Tarhalindur for killing my brain?

Player-Tar or mod-Tar?

Mod-Tar.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't claim faking it was pro-town. I don't think it hurt the town too much, and I would have stopped sooner had it proved problematic.

This is almost a claim of "not town".

How so?

[StrangerCoug]

I'm counting "town with an added win condition" as "not town".

And this makes sense how?

[StrangerCoug]

I'm counting "town with an added win condition" as "not town".

And this makes sense how?

This is an interesting philosophical question. Does towniness depend on having the town win condition exactly?

I don't like your response. It's like you're dodging my question in an attempt to ridicule me.

Vote: Cephrir (Xylthixlm)

[StrangerCoug]

For the purpose of my argument about qwints, "town with added win condition" fits in the "not town" category as opposed to the "incompetent" category. A townie with an added win condition may have a good reason to do things which are bad for the town (consider townie+jester for instance).

Answer this for me then: Suppose you and I are lovers and you do not know that I am scum. Your win condition reads, "Under normal circumstances, you win when all threats to the town have been eliminated from the game; however, if StrangerCoug is scum and he wins, so do you if the two of you are alive." Are you, therefore, not town because I'm not either, even though that's not something you would know?

[StrangerCoug]

It's still beyond me why you plausibly could have called qwints "not town" over something philosophical, Xylthixlm.

[StrangerCoug]

Answer this for me then: Suppose you and I are lovers and you do not know that I am scum. Your win condition reads, "Under normal circumstances, you win when all threats to the town have been eliminated from the game; however, if StrangerCoug is scum and he wins, so do you if the two of you are alive." Are you, therefore, not town because I'm not either, even though that's not something you would know?

Are you scum?

No; I was giving Xylthixlm a hypothetical situation so I could figure out what he was talking about. I am not a lover with Xylthixlm.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not either, nor do I know why people have stopped going after Xylthixlm's definition of "town".

[StrangerCoug]

(6)

@SC: I don't understand what you're saying about Xyl's definition of town. If you mean him going after qwints, from what I understand qwints apparently thinks that he needs to meet his ultimate condition to win, which doesn't make him town, as far as I'm aware. If you mean something else, could you explain?

It's related to what you're talking about. I'm referencing Xylthixlm's "town with an added win condition not being town" bit, and he dismissed my questioning it as my asking a philosophical question, which he has elaborated little on.

[StrangerCoug]

Happy birthday qwints!

[StrangerCoug]

We should bandwagon someone, anyone to lynch count just to see if they get lynched, you say? Sounds good to me.

Uh, no.

[StrangerCoug]

I thought the thread was locked xD

[StrangerCoug]

StrangCoug = scum

Shut up, dead man.

[StrangerCoug]

Mao is dead

I'm starting to lean toward Xylthixlm being town now, so I'm not going to revote him. I owe the Kinetic case a reread given his flip, though.

[StrangerCoug]

Disregard my last post.

We don't know how many people the cult needs to kill to win. Even if we waste one more day, we may be unable to use Pesco's ability.

We'd better kill off Pesco as soon as possible.

Vote: populartajo

Do it.

[StrangerCoug]

Not sure I believe that the cult win condition is to kill the high council, but it does sort of fit with cult trying to get a mass claim.

I'm still hopeful that the cult leader was Vi, otherwise we're kind of screwed.

How so?

[StrangerCoug]

hmm, somebody tried to kill me yesterday.

How do you know this?

[StrangerCoug]

All right, who hacked into Tar's account?

[StrangerCoug]

Posting to avoid prod.

Anything to say, Lurker McLurk?

[StrangerCoug]

This town is too quiet for my taste. EVERYONE, What are your thougts of Pesco?

Why isn't she sacrificing herself like I thought she would be? She's obviously the best lynch, if not for the usual reasons.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Please note my sig.

[StrangerCoug]

There's a lot to analyze, but my input so far:

Kills so far:

Talked to Death (forbiddanlight)
Excommunicated (Aries777777, dahill1)
Suicided (The Central Scrutinizer, DrippingGoofball) - Claimed by Tar
Killed Like A Man (Tarhalindur) - Claimed by malthusis
Killed by the Wrath of Mod (ZazieR)
Mysteriously Died (veerus)
Nuked (Vi)
Died a Martyr (malthusis) - Presumably malthusis's role ability
Liquefied (hasdgfas)

... that's a lot of kill methods. I hope there isn't one killer per method.

Probably not because it's

BARELY

if at all mathematically possible. It's possible that the mod likes reporting nightkills a different way each time. In Mini 716, I reported the nightkilled players as shot, decapitated, blown up, disemboweled, run over, stabbed, set on fire, shoved in a wood chipper, slapjacked, and gassed—in that order. (However, two sets of two kills overlapped, and one of them was the endgame kill.)

Since this is ModWIFOM, I'm allowed to comment.

Most previous Tarhalindur theme games have had unique kill methods for each player with a killing ability (one or more for each player), and the primary exception was due to a game mechanic (Ocarina of Time).

Just saying... - Tar

[StrangerCoug]

Why is it that I seem to do better toward the beginning of the game?

...Just asking.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Note sig.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: I hereby request replacement. See updated sig.