Mini 693 - Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Mafia (OVER)


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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:53 am

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Malt wrote:@iLord: My double vote is permenant: I have it all the time.
Oh, okay. That takes away that point against raider's claim.
Malt wrote:On a different note: Maybe Saria was my backup?
That would fit mechanically, but I don't know enough about flavor to say anything else about it.

Were Link/Zelda/Sheik the only characters that possessed the Light Arrows in game? Was there a "evil" Link?
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:54 am

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Wait, I just saw that your claimed role name.

What was the Fairy Ocarina?
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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:00 pm

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Vote: Mathusis


Fell exactly into my trap. I was looking for the source of the Light Arrows.
Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:12 pm

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The Thirty-Ninth Vote Count (aka the "Left, Right, Left, Left, Right, Left, Right, Right" Vote Count):


Vote Count:


andersonw (0)
ZazieR (rep. letsbefriends) (0)
Natirasha (0)
malthusis (1) - Natirasha
iLord (2) - malthusis
raider8169 (1) - iLord

Not Voting (3): andersonw, ZazieR, raider8169

Votes required to lynch: 4


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andersonw
ZazieR
Natirasha
malthusis
iLord
raider8169

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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:20 pm

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Nat wrote:Vote: Mathusis

Fell exactly into my trap. I was looking for the source of the Light Arrows.
You made us massclaim for that?

Are you kidding me?

There's so many ways that the light arrows could be justified, that this idea by itself by no means justifed a massclaim.
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:07 pm

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Natirasha wrote:
Vote: Mathusis


Fell exactly into my trap. I was looking for the source of the Light Arrows.
Yeah, my reaction to this was exactly the same thing as iLord's. I mean, Rauru was the sage of light, obviously, he had light arrows. Sure, zelda has light arrows, but couldn't there be other people that fit?!
Is that really the only reason you wanted us to massclaim? I thought you might have had some role information that could help us (like "all sages are scum" or something like that) :(


I'll read through the iLord-raider thing and comment on it tomorrow (I'm siding with raider right now, just taking a quick look at it), but I just want to respond to this right now.
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andersonw wrote:Why is it scummy to tell someone else to hammer? It seems that if you had told malthusis that you were okay with a hammer, it would have been just like as if you had voted, since you were supporting MafiaSSK's lynch.
Because I would have been encouraging someone to die and yet after the flip been like "dont look at me I didnt vote for him".
You shouldn't even be assuming that you would be saying anything like that. Clearly, if you had said "dont look at me I didnt vote for him", we would have interpreted that as scummy, because saying "I strongly support a MSSK lynch" pretty much carries the same weight as voting (to me, at least).
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:16 pm

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iLord wrote:
Nat wrote:Vote: Mathusis

Fell exactly into my trap. I was looking for the source of the Light Arrows.
You made us massclaim for that?

Are you kidding me?

There's so many ways that the light arrows could be justified, that this idea by itself by no means justifed a massclaim.
No, that was the reason I wanted massclaim.
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:08 pm

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Natirasha wrote:No, that was the reason I wanted massclaim.
How does that justify him being scum though?


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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:56 am

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The fairy ocarina is the first ocarina you get in the game. After Link saved the Deku Tree, Saria gave it to him when he was leaving the village. The fairy ocarina is used until you get the Ocarina of Time.

I'm Darunia, better known as the fire sage and the leader of the Gorons.
In the past I'm a townie. In the future, I am a townie roleblocker. I targeted iLord previous day. That's why I asked if Coheed counted as one of the scum. If he would, iLord is probably town.

Next bit, Raider, can you explain this:
SilverPhoenix, Talon, 1-Shot Bulletproof Townie, Lynched Day 2
Congrats with your son

Andersonw, you're next.
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:13 pm

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Unvote Vote:Natrirasha
I simply can't believe that you as a townie would ask us to do a mass-claim,knowing that you would reveal all of our major power roles, just so you would have a chance of finding who had the light arrows.

@Zaz
Next bit, Raider, can you explain this:
Quote:
SilverPhoenix, Talon, 1-Shot Bulletproof Townie, Lynched Day 2
What do you mean when you ask raider to explain that?
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:36 pm

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Zazie wrote:Andersonw, you're next.
Why?

I don't find Nat's play particularily scummy - only rather controversial. I really don't think Zelda's enough for a lynch, considering the fact that light arrows being NK's was public information.
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:18 pm

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"You've done well to come all the way up here, Link. This is the summit of the sacred Death Mountain! Hoot! It is said that the clouds surrounding this peak reflect the condition of Death Mountain. When they look normal, it is at peace. Climbing all the way up here just proves how smart you are! Now I want to see you make another smart move... The Great Fairy lives on this mountaintop, and she will give you a new skill! She is the leader of the fairies, you know. Hoo! I will perch here and wait for you. When you're ready to go back down, I can help you! Now, get going!" -
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The Fortieth Vote Count (aka the Up, Left, Down, A, Up, Left, Down, Right" Vote Count):


Vote Count:


andersonw (0)
ZazieR (rep. letsbefriends) (0)
Natirasha (2) - malthusis
malthusis (1) - Natirasha
iLord (0)
raider8169 (1) - iLord

Not Voting (3): andersonw, ZazieR, raider8169

Votes required to lynch: 4


FoS Count:


andersonw
ZazieR
Natirasha
malthusis
iLord
raider8169

Current Deadline:
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:42 am

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Raider wrote:I can survive one night attack which was used up.
Isn't this the same as the 1-shot bulletproof townie (SP's past role)
Then Raider has the same role in the past which iLord has in the future. I find that strange.

Raider, I thank you very much. You had quoted this in which I'm very interested:
Malt wrote:My theory is that the scum team's kill is done through light arrows (or it has no kill at all). There's only a few people in the series who had them, namely Zelda, Sheik and Link (and link is dead). Sheik is also a character that wasn't in the past in any form or way, and the killings started in the future. Therefore, SSK=Sheik=Scum or vig or any other killing role. You can see through this inference that Sheik shot Link (Who had claimed and had no reason to be doubted) which in my mind means SSK=anti-town.
You have anything to say about this Malt?

Also, you're Zelda. If you had searched for the Ocarina of Time, you would have known that Sheik is her alter ego. I'm almost sure that this is mentioned on your role PM. If it isn't, you may explain this:
Malt wrote:Where did I say I was two people
If you don't remember, this was your hint when Pesco accused you of being those two old witches. This was why I thought you were Zelda as she has an alter ego. This would have made her actually two characters (that explains your double vote), but you aren't two characters (which gives truth to your hint).

Did or did you not know that Sheik is Zelda's alter ego? If you did know, explain the first quote of mine, in which you accuse SSK in being Sheik. If you didn't know, then explain your hint.

Also, does anybody know if you get a message when you as 1-shot bulletproof townie are targeted by scum?
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:21 am

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I was trying to get SSK to claim he was Sheik (I was thinking he might be) so I could counterclaim and prove that he was scum.

About bulletproofs: I think you would just see that the person isn't dead in the morning.
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:22 am

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Hey everyone, baby is going great but my wife will be in the hospital until Thursday I will catch up then.
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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:16 am

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Zazie wrote:Also, does anybody know if you get a message when you as 1-shot bulletproof townie are targeted by scum?
From my experience, they're generally told so.

Did Malt hint that he was two people? I remember Malt hinting that explaining his double vote would give away his role, but I shoud probably look back.
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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:09 pm

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I actually hinted that I wasn't two people.
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:05 pm

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I don't see why I still need to roleclaim, as there's no point in doing it anymore, but if you still want me to, I will.

Natirasha: Could you explain why you are so sure that zelda implies light arrows? I'm still not getting how that deserves a massclaim.

After reading through the iLord-raider argument, I've seen nothing to convince me that voting is different from asking someone to hammer. It still seems pretty clear to me that raider supported a MSSK lynch, and whoever hammered him really didn't matter (I also want to hear raider's response to the end of my 680, though). And congrats with the baby, too!
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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:59 am

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So Malt, you know that you are Sheik. Then why did you come up with:
Malt wrote:My theory is that the scum team's kill is done through light arrows (or it has no kill at all). There's only a few people in the series who had them, namely Zelda, Sheik and Link (and link is dead). Sheik is also a character that wasn't in the past in any form or way, and the killings started in the future. Therefore, SSK=Sheik=Scum or vig or any other killing role. You can see through this inference that Sheik shot Link (Who had claimed and had no reason to be doubted) which in my mind means SSK=anti-town.
You call SSK here anti-town as he was accused of being Sheik. You came up with Sheik being anti-town. Why would you say that if you are Sheik?
You just say here that SSK is Sheik. And if you wanted to counterclaim him, why would you add that Sheik is anti-town?

Also andersonw, you can see in this quote why Natirasha thinks that Zelda/Sheik had the light arrows. Besides, I don't know if anyone has played 'Twilight Princess' or 'The Windwaker', but in both games Zelda helps by using the light arrows.
This, together with Malt's quote and his explanation of it, means he deserves my vote. However, I want to discuss things first as he could hammer himself with one more vote if he's scum and there are two left.

I actually want you to claim andersonw.

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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:09 pm

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I have nothing do with being Sheik, I do not change when it is the future. Also, why would I hammer myself?
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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:40 pm

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Malt wrote:I was trying to get SSK
to claim he was Sheik
(I was thinking he might be)
so I could
counterclaim
and prove that he was scum.
You sure you're not Sheik?
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:17 am

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Zas wrote:You sure you're not Sheik?
That's very interesting. I can't really see a way for Malt to explain his way out of this...
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:27 am

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In mind, if I'm Zelda, it's very likely that nobody could be Sheik, so I could use this as evidence to counterclaim against him being Sheik.
However, I want to discuss things first as he could hammer himself with one more vote if he's scum and there are two left.
I have nothing do with being Sheik, I do not change when it is the future.
Also, why would I hammer myself?
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:10 am

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But you're not Sheik according to you. So it was actually possible that SSK could be Sheik, while you were trying to 'counterclaim' him with a lie.
And if you think that Sheik isn't even likely a role in this game (as you just said) then why would you say that Sheik is anti-town? Why even mention her?

If you're scum and if there's a partner left, you could vote yourself so town get less information.
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:08 am

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"YOU... CURSE YOU, ZELDA... CURSE YOU, SAGES... CURSE YOU, LINK! Someday when this seal is broken, that is when I will exterminate your descendants. As long as the Triforce of Power is in my hand..." - Ganondorf


First: I don't like finals. (Read: I am V/LA and trying to keep up with the players in Mind Screw 3, sorry about the lack of vote count yesterday.)

Second: raider8169 will be treated as V/LA for the remainder of the game. (First child? I have on good faith/prior MafiaScum experience playing with and modding with new parents that being a new parent makes you V/LA for several months.)

Finally, the important news: Given the game state and activity levels, you FAIL the First Mod Deadline Review. One week, get cracking! (And if andersonw doesn't start posting soon, replacement ahoy!). - Tar


The Forty-First Vote Count (aka the Up, Up, Left, Left, Left, Left, Down, Down" Vote Count):


Vote Count:


andersonw (0)
ZazieR (rep. letsbefriends) (0)
Natirasha (2) - malthusis
malthusis (1) - Natirasha
iLord (0)
raider8169 (1) - iLord

Not Voting (3): andersonw, ZazieR, raider8169

Votes required to lynch: 4


FoS Count:


andersonw
ZazieR
Natirasha
malthusis
iLord
raider8169

Current and Final Deadline:
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