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[biancospino]

Votecount 3-VI

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.

flavor

Spoiler:

execution votes

Aureal (4):

SirCakez (2181), meowmeow (2230), Merlyn (2262), Cat Scratch Fever (2368)

Deal With The Devil (1):

Enchant (2171)

SirCakez (1):

Aureal (2175)

Enchant (1):

Flavor Leaf (2242)

RCEnigma (1):

camelCasedSnivy (2279)

Not voting (3):

Deal With The Devil, RCEnigma, Hu Tao (2353)

projects votes

Recount (4):

Merlyn (2172), Aureal (2175), Deal With The Devil (2370), meowmeow (2385)

Sacrifice (2):

Flavor Leaf (2234), SirCakez (2316)

Not voting (5):

Enchant, RCEnigma, Hu Tao, Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy (2383)

notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-08-27 09:40:33).
  
• Alianna is V/LA until Thursday.
  
• I'm counting 2383 as an unvote for the projects; while it wasn't in a format prescribed by the rules, I think the intention was clear - please tell me if I'm mistaken. I'm amending the rules to explicitly allow the use of HEAL: tags to unvote projects.

[camelCasedSnivy]

oh i actually didnt know that wasnt explicitly a thing

man i suck at remembering rules

[camelCasedSnivy]

So what does 'condemn Marci and we'll see' mean?????

If Marci had flipped scum, that would make FL's musings possible. But he's saying, 'flip Marci and we'll see' like SHE'S TOWN. While HE'S VOTING FOR HER.

basically "we'll see" means if shes scum then your case is valid but at the time I didn't wanna tunnel on marci just because of FL

[Merlyn]

But you were voting her bc of FL.

It’s Marci or Merlyn for me today, and Merlyn is at least willing to work with people who scum read them, so I admire that aspect enough to want Marci over Merlyn.

I think they’re just hiding behind that energy tbh.

If I’m wrong, I’m tortured anyways.

No point for scumFL to do this.

VOTE: marci

true i guess

And you never changed your vote

[camelCasedSnivy]

only person i would reasonably have pivoted to at the time would be RCEnigma but the interest for the wagon was not really there

[Deal With The Devil]

Apologies for not being around today, needed a bit of a mental health day and couldn't muster the brain power for mafia.

Be back tomorrow evening at the worst.

-Drew

[Merlyn]

Apologies for not being around today, needed a bit of a mental health day and couldn't muster the brain power for mafia.

Be back tomorrow evening at the worst.

-Drew

Hope things start looking up soon Doc

[Aureal]

I would love for someone to tell me why they're town reading snivy. Like, I want someone to go through his iso and find any evidence of scum hunting, or pushing, or anything at all.

I've been townreading Snivy since he forgot about the plurality vote back on day one. I have a hard time thinking that mafia are going to forget about that, especially with four of them- surely some of their planning accounts for it. I have no idea how to read him otherwise.

On that subject though, I've been feeling more skeptical of Hu Tao's lack of understanding of it, so I looked back through her ISO. I know she replaced in and was told to basically ignore mechanics so she could get into the game, but I'm getting really weird feelings from her engagement with the mechanics, or lack thereof. In one post we get confusion:

Maybe I don't understand the mechanics of this game but why is no one dying at night?

in the next we get an attempt to tackle one of the more enigmatic things we've got:

So I've been thinking about inquiry. I think the fact that it is there means we are being mislead about something and it's worrying. Not sure what it could be

It feels rather dichotomous. But I find it much harder to swallow this:

I am a big mech newbie, as no doubt evidenced by a bunch of things I've already said in this game. But if there was a billboard option of 50K right now that said 'guaranteed scum catch' we'd all pick it and not consider it a waste, right?

I don't think it is a guaranteed scum catch

It's more like this: if we end up voting out town, then we get to use Recount as a parity cop check. If we end up voting scum, then scum can self hammer and mess up the Recount result so the result isn't useful in this scenario -- we would have spent $60k on something not useful.

Counter argument if we do it correctly and it's all town we can have a few people clear correct?

combined with this:

Probably not.

We can do 2 + Me.

I feel there’s gonna be some players who try to go against the plan.

I assumed recount was for all those on the majority vote?

but then after that, we get this:

What?

Okay, so THIS was the plan. Right?

Wait what's the plan for recount tomorrow? How does it get used as a parity check if it only tells us binary y/n if there was a scum on the wagon but not how many?

It's not exactly a parity check.
Basically, no one votes except 2 people on the chosen execution wagon and we let it pass by plurality. If we get a no, they're both confirmed town, and if we get a yes, we know at least one of them is scum.

- Alianna

So two people.

I'm so confused.. so it's the people who are voting on recount? Or are you saying we can eliminate people with only 2 voters

Hu Tao understood that recount was for all voters on the majority wagon, but thought that it needed a full 6 people in order to go through up until that last post? That's not just "a few people clear" as she said in 2222. That'd be clearing six out of seven remaining town - game over for scum. (and one is already clear, at that)

So it feels like the lack of understanding the plurality elimination is fake.

[Aureal]

I've been feeling a little about her lately because a few times now she's popped in with "why did you say THAT, it seems pointless" questions aimed at me that feel rather like she's trying to undermine me. I don't really know why my comment about the way the marci flip went down was supposed to be weird: it seems pretty obvious to me that scumflips with nothing but your townreads on the wagon are going to be vanishingly rare, especially in earlier stages of a game like this.

Which posts? & which comment about the marci flip?

aureal has been the counterwagon attempt for a minute.

i pushed aureal earlier and nobody cared, and then marci gets pushed and everyone starts to want aureal. thats scum indicative of marciscum imo

But... you were voting me earlier, saying Merlyn and marci were also candidates to push. Why would scum not go for it then and instead wait for you to change your mind? If you're thinking this is a scum defense of marci, that would implicate Merlyn with her. So it'd be quite odd for them to not strike while the iron is hot seeing as you were likely to turn against scum next- Merlyn at the least should know you're pretty fickle and that was likely to happen.

Why did you ask this question btw

aureal has been the counterwagon attempt for a minute.

i pushed aureal earlier and nobody cared, and then marci gets pushed and everyone starts to want aureal. thats scum indicative of marciscum imo

But... you were voting me earlier, saying Merlyn and marci were also candidates to push. Why would scum not go for it then and instead wait for you to change your mind? If you're thinking this is a scum defense of marci, that would implicate Merlyn with her. So it'd be quite odd for them to not strike while the iron is hot seeing as you were likely to turn against scum next- Merlyn at the least should know you're pretty fickle and that was likely to happen.

Why did you ask this question btw

Because the situation confuses me and I don't think it's that simple.

It seems like a strange question to ask because it's like asking why didn't scum bus Marci pre-emptively

Is that what you think happened here?

[RCEnigma]

Back from a horrible toothache. Mostly sober now.

[Hu Tao]

I would love for someone to tell me why they're town reading snivy. Like, I want someone to go through his iso and find any evidence of scum hunting, or pushing, or anything at all.

I've been townreading Snivy since he forgot about the plurality vote back on day one. I have a hard time thinking that mafia are going to forget about that, especially with four of them- surely some of their planning accounts for it. I have no idea how to read him otherwise.

On that subject though, I've been feeling more skeptical of Hu Tao's lack of understanding of it, so I looked back through her ISO. I know she replaced in and was told to basically ignore mechanics so she could get into the game, but I'm getting really weird feelings from her engagement with the mechanics, or lack thereof. In one post we get confusion:

Maybe I don't understand the mechanics of this game but why is no one dying at night?

in the next we get an attempt to tackle one of the more enigmatic things we've got:

So I've been thinking about inquiry. I think the fact that it is there means we are being mislead about something and it's worrying. Not sure what it could be

It feels rather dichotomous. But I find it much harder to swallow this:

I am a big mech newbie, as no doubt evidenced by a bunch of things I've already said in this game. But if there was a billboard option of 50K right now that said 'guaranteed scum catch' we'd all pick it and not consider it a waste, right?

I don't think it is a guaranteed scum catch

It's more like this: if we end up voting out town, then we get to use Recount as a parity cop check. If we end up voting scum, then scum can self hammer and mess up the Recount result so the result isn't useful in this scenario -- we would have spent $60k on something not useful.

Counter argument if we do it correctly and it's all town we can have a few people clear correct?

combined with this:

Probably not.

We can do 2 + Me.

I feel there’s gonna be some players who try to go against the plan.

I assumed recount was for all those on the majority vote?

but then after that, we get this:

What?

Okay, so THIS was the plan. Right?

Wait what's the plan for recount tomorrow? How does it get used as a parity check if it only tells us binary y/n if there was a scum on the wagon but not how many?

It's not exactly a parity check.
Basically, no one votes except 2 people on the chosen execution wagon and we let it pass by plurality. If we get a no, they're both confirmed town, and if we get a yes, we know at least one of them is scum.

- Alianna

So two people.

I'm so confused.. so it's the people who are voting on recount? Or are you saying we can eliminate people with only 2 voters

Hu Tao understood that recount was for all voters on the majority wagon, but thought that it needed a full 6 people in order to go through up until that last post? That's not just "a few people clear" as she said in 2222. That'd be clearing six out of seven remaining town - game over for scum. (and one is already clear, at that)

So it feels like the lack of understanding the plurality elimination is fake.

I understand why you think this. Yes, that was my reasoning as best case scenario. Having 5 + fl on a wagon is how I assumed it would work. I've never played a game where you didn't need to reach the hammer to eliminate someone. You can check all my previous games if you'd like

[Hu Tao]

I was playing devil advocate to Cat's disapproval of recount and they were doing worst possible scenario

[Hu Tao]

HURT: Sacrafice

I think this is best for today either way. I think getting rid of potential scum is good

[RCEnigma]

HURT: sacrifice
VOTE: Aureal

[Enchant]

HURT: Sacrifice
VOTE: Aureal

[camelCasedSnivy]

ah shit is that a quickhammer

[camelCasedSnivy]

OH scum have control of sac

[RCEnigma]

Not ideal.

[biancospino]

Votecount 3-FINAL

With 11 alive, it took 6 to hammer.

flavor

Spoiler:

execution votes

Aureal (6):

SirCakez (2181), meowmeow (2230), Merlyn (2262), Cat Scratch Fever (2368), RCEnigma (2413), Enchant (2414)

SirCakez (1):

Aureal (2175)

Enchant (1):

Flavor Leaf (2242)

RCEnigma (1):

camelCasedSnivy (2279)

Not voting (2):

Deal With The Devil, Hu Tao (2353)

projects votes

Sacrifice (5):

Flavor Leaf (2234), SirCakez (2316), Hu Tao (2412), RCEnigma (2413), Enchant (2414)

Recount (4):

Merlyn (2172), Aureal (2175), Deal With The Devil (2370), meowmeow (2385)

Not voting (2):

Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy (2383)

notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-08-27 09:40:33).

[biancospino]

flavor

Spoiler: obituaries

Flavor Leaf succumbed to his malady! He was a

Citizen

.

Aureal was burned at the stake! She was a

Citizen

.

The following projects will be undertaken overnight:

• Sacrifice
  
• Recount

SirCakez, Hu Tao, RCEnigma and Enchant will discuss the target of Sacrifice in an overnight Council.

The night will end in (expired on 2023-08-25 12:25:18).

[biancospino]

Dawn of the Fourth Day

Spoiler: Transcription

The Utopia Times

Vol. XX/N.7380

15^th September 2079

---

Libation to Utopia

It's five in the morrow, and the bells of the Temple sing in festive melanchony. The knife has been prepared, its blade shimmering in the dim light of dawn penetrating the stained glass.

This morrow, the blood of SirCakez bathed the rock of the Altar. It was a gesture of supreme sacrifice, a honorable way to put all of his worth to the service of Utopia. He smiled contently as the swift hand of the High Priest plunged the blade on his beating hearth.

SirCakez belongings have been repossessed by the collectivity. As an act of respect of his devotion to us, anything of value of his hearthly existence shall be assumed and put to use. A lavish banquet will be held at lunch and supper -- a most needed refreshment in this hard times.

There is no need to inquire about the provenience of the pork, which we guarantee is of the best quality.

Is it all crumbling down?

They are closing in.

They are ruining our Paradise. They are now an existential threat to the very being of our enlightened New World.

The assault of the Eagle is fierce, and is breathing on our necks. This is the time where faith must be higher, when the flame of zealotry to our Doctrine must reach higher to engulf the rapacious oppressor. The time is now, or is the death of us.

The time is now, or is the Death of Utopia.

They must not win. For the greatest good of Utopia.
They must not win. For the greatest good of Utopia.
They must not win. For the greatest good of Utopia.
They must not win. For the greatest good of Utopia.
They must not win. For the greatest good of Utopia.
They must not win. For the greatest good of Utopia.
They must not win. For the greatest good of Utopia.
They must not win. For the greatest good of Utopia.
They must not win. For the greatest good of Utopia.
They must not win. For the greatest good of Utopia.
They must not win. For the greatest good of Utopia.
They must not win. For the greatest good of Utopia.

---

Alarming results of vote recount

There has been an accurate recount of votes cast yesterday. The process was involved, and the poll workest have been peculiarly unlucky with a series of small accidents and oversights for which much duplicate work needed to be done.

Despite all, the recount has been concluded, and the nefarious result is clear; there were one or more of those traitorous cur aiding in Aureal's condemnation.

---

Today's Weather Report

We are hit by a cyclonic event. Expect heavy precipitation with possibility of thunderstorms and hail.

Low 9°C, High 18°C, humidity of 77--82\% through the day.

---

N.B.: the picture of the altar is AI-generated

• SirCakez was Sacrificed! He was a
  Citizen
  .
  
• Yesterday, there were one or more Insurgents on Aureal's wagon.
  
• The budget today is $80,000.

• modnote: I will be V/LA for the next 12 to 24 hours.

[biancospino]

BILLBOARD

Billboard

Investigatives

• Intelligentia ($10,000)
  -- discover number of Insurgents
  
• Autopsy ($10,000)
  -- discover alignment of a dead target.
  
• Inquiry ($40,000)
  -- discover if the mod has ever lied.
  
• Census ($50,000)
  -- discover if, among five targets, exactly two are Insurgents. This project can't be bought unless 8 players are alive and at most one Insurgent is dead.
  
• Wiretap ($20,000)
  -- discover how many posts were made in the Insurgents' PT the last Day and the last Night.
  
• Torture ($40,000)
  -- torture target. Insurgent will always confess, but innocent Utopians also have a 25% chance of confessing just to escape the supplice.

Voting Manipulation

N.B.: all effects that would set vote weight to two or more, or that would grant extra votes to single Utopians, are disabled if the number of living Citizens is less than two greater than the number of living Insurgents.

• Mayor election ($10,000)
  -- one Utopian is elected Mayor, and their vote (both for execution and for projects) is worth one-and-a-half for the rest of the game. The Mayor can be deposed during Days if a simple majority agrees. If a new Mayor is elected, the previous one is deposed.
  
• Election Security ($10,000)
  -- tomorrow, there will be no voting tricks (all vote weights will be one, secret extra votes won't count, etc.)
  
• Appointed Jury ($20,000)
  -- 3 targets Utopians get a PT during the next Day to decide for an extra shared vote to cast for execution.
  
• Injunction ($30,000)
  -- the vote for execution of target Utopian will be worth only one-half tomorrow. This project can only be bought if there are at least 5 players.

Miscellanea

• Raffle ($10,000)
  -- 50% chance that a random Citizen gets a fruit.
  
• Neighborhood Watch ($20,000)
  -- tomorrow, Insurgents have no daytalk.
  
• Marriage ($20,000)
  -- two Utopians are united in marriage (if any of them is already married, they divorce first). They gain access to a Spouses' PT. When one of them dies for any reason, the other dies of a broken hearth.

Developments

• Inquisition Headquarters ($30,000)
  -- unlocks even more investigative projects.
  
• Board of Elections ($10,000)
  -- unlocks more voting manipulation projects.
  
• Guildhall ($20,000)
  -- unlocks more miscellanea projects
  
• Trading Outpost ($20,000)
  -- ups the daily budget to $70,000.
  
• Printing Press ($20,000)
  -- the Journal will also publish a page detailing future projects, hinting at currently locked higher-tier actions.
  
• Assassination ($60,000)
  -- Kill target Utopian with no flip. This action is guaranteed to go through exactly as planned.

[Enchant]

HURT: Assasinate
VOTE: No Elimination

[Cat Scratch Fever]

HURT: assassination

VOTE: no elimination

[Hu Tao]

HURT: Assassination

VOTE: No elim