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[Firebringer]

I don't see the difference between dunnstral play here and team mafia

[Firebringer]

Hua Toa, Dunnstral, Nurse?
I could potentially swap out nurse for one of Alisae/Norwee

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Hua Tao

sorry that's incorrect, he's my n1

Pretty sure ur not a sane cop then

[Firebringer]

Cop NIght 1 - Roden Town
Role Cop - Sheep - Miller

[Firebringer]

I don't see the difference between dunnstral play here and team mafia

I personally feel that my play in team mafia is completely different from this game.

Here is my iso from that game: viewtopic.php?t=90851&user_select[]=27717

What similarities are you seeing?

ur asking pointless questions, your stances aren't making me think ur solving, and general empty posting.
which is what pinged me early game of team mafia too.

[Firebringer]

Here's to hoping the replacement brings new light onto something.

lmao my bad

You confirmed yourself town with the miller claim, you already did a lot by proving yourself to be without any doubt town.

sheep slot not town for miller claim.
mik was obv town

[Firebringer]

I don't get it, I feel like I can't identify a single fucking wolf

Whats ur reasons for townreading Dunnstral or Hu Toa

[Firebringer]

Flavor Leaf: Shut the fuck up Taku you idiot no one moves against Firebringer I SAY SO

no one says u can't vote me.
if ur scumreading me layout the reasons because ur switch today is weird
and ur push against me and roden reads doesn't make sense. Like ur saying that it can't be scum in null reads or low impact something. I don't get ur perspective at all today.

[Firebringer]

bodyguard

[Firebringer]

Paraphrasing takes seconds, fabricating takes an eternity

thats only true for themes

[Firebringer]

Firebringer your idea of me asking empty questions in that game was me asking you if you had read the setup multiple times, you blowing me off, and then you royally messing up with mech because you had not, in fact, read the setup, and so you failed to confirm yourself as town when you could have. Frankly you don't get to decide when a question is pointless or not. And the rest of what you said is so vague I'm not sure what to say to that - for instance, how is that similar to how I played in team mafia?

This is just rewriting events of what i pushed you for.
It kind of annoys me how u twist that game too, your behavior that game to me when i pushed u actually really annoyed me too.

i think ur playing similar in that i don't think ur questions or sorting is really sorting just like i had called out in that game. If i have enough time later maybe ill do the one by one comparison of the two.

Right now ill just ask straight up, whats your read on me and why?

[Firebringer]

To be fair, Takutai’s always a good vote.

Free townie points for anyone who joins it

i only want scum points tho

[Firebringer]

Hua Toa, Dunnstral, Nurse?
I could potentially swap out nurse for one of Alisae/Norwee

This seems lazy. Just top 3 lowest posters.

Sometimes mafia just isn't that hard

[Firebringer]

like usually there is one high posting scum
but like 2 scum being in the lowest posters is pretty common

[Firebringer]

I think for now I am going to be Dunn's doublevoter.

the fuck

[Firebringer]

U know what. Know
I am not talking to u alisae.

[Firebringer]

No*

[Firebringer]

Id much rather go for Hu Tao or Dunn today
I don't understand any townreads on dunn.

[Firebringer]

I don't think i can work with you in this game alisae.

[Firebringer]

and i really don't want to even try

[Firebringer]

Naah u do ur own thing and ill do my own thing.
I don't care if we are on same wavelength on this.

Hoping i die tonight so it won't matter

[Firebringer]

i feel pretty good about my solve so i disagree.
the only hard part is actually getting others to listen.
But u know, I am not going to bother with that part.

My job is to sort then die. Gonna enjoy the game instead of caring about getting agreement on reads.

[Firebringer]

I have two completed town games with Hu Tao, he feels fully town

I have one completed game with Hu Tao and i don't see the similarities here to that one.
Want to go deeper ino this?

[Firebringer]

I have played with you twice also I believe and for now I'm attaching merit to you not being that engaged with this game, it's understandable.

i have played with u?
I disagree i have disengaged, i mean day 1, yes i was v/la for half of it. But now? I am pretty engaged

[Firebringer]

funny story for u all
i tried to quit my job today. Then the partner called me and spent 15-20 minutes convincing me to 'give it another try', so now im still at my job and taking a half day.
Kind of still want to quit.

Anyways enough about my personal life
Why aren't we voting Hu Tao

[Firebringer]

If it's just Roden/Dunnstral/Flavor Leaf Imma relax.

I'll be back in a day or two town don't get lost in the tide.

r u just...blatantly disregarding fl claiming a cop and having a guilty on hu tao?

I mean I don't mind, we can still kill Nurse today and if wolves ever shoot FL and FL flips cop then hu tao dies on the spot

I don't believe flavor has a guilty
but i believe hua is scum.

[Firebringer]

Why wouldn't you want to quit? If your heart is telling you to quit your job, you should quit.

life not that easy sometimes

[Firebringer]

all the talk about flavor leaf and his gambits is giving me yawns

[Firebringer]

its very interesting that hua toa townreads FL despite it all though

[Firebringer]

Yes but what are you looking for from me that is going to change your opinion. That was not clear to me so it feels to me like you are posturing by saying that rather than really thinking about it.

Look, you are 3600 posts into the thread, how much longer do you need to determine if I'm coasting or not? That does not seem right to me.

Give me ur latest reads list

[Firebringer]

So Fire as a claimed bodyguard should obviously protect Flavour in the case Hu Tao is a scum flip. Or the miller claims. Any of those slots is precious, albeit cop slightly more so.

I am def not protecting flavor lol

[Firebringer]

Naah im going to protect Sakura.
Dead players should get a bodyguard

[Firebringer]

that doesn't make sense

[Firebringer]

Firebringer is aloof and whimsical, and personally hard to read. I feel like he... posts a lot, yes... but where exactly does he stand? He says he engaged, but... He's more like a wildcard, inscrutable. I think he *should* get pressed a bit just to better understand if he's actually trying to solve this game, or just trying to blend in.

I am curious on this from Nurse.
I think ive made my positions this game pretty clear

[Firebringer]

i really don't care about guilties alisae

[Firebringer]

So whats ur take on norwee right now Dunnyboi

[Firebringer]

i think we should all just be roden sheeps this game

[Firebringer]

im beginning to rethink hu tao
UNVOTE:

[Firebringer]

besides the whole flavor v takutai fighting whats the scum case for taku?

[Firebringer]

like the most eggregious thing ive seen is the discrediting of roden tbh. Which kind of looked scummy so i guess i don't have issues voting there

[Firebringer]

i could see a dunnstral/taku team actually

[Firebringer]

Actually fuck it, i'm just going to claim.

I am an informed townie.

I am informed that this setup has exactly 1 cop. This is why Flavours claim i think is real. I was wondering if it was Bob who was the cop at first. But now i think it's obvious it must be FLavour and scum are discrediting it.

Doesn't say that the cop must be town alignment. But a mafia cop would be pretty weird to be informed about so i'm assuming it's town.

spicy
mafia cop isn't normal iirc

mhmhmmmmm. Big part of me still wants to ignore the claims though. My gut is telling me Hu Tao is town right now

[Firebringer]

nvm there could be a mafia cop.
But that seems silly to consider and i don't think RR would do that.

Gonna disregard this info for now.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Takutai

[Firebringer]

didn't think i was hammering.

welp lets see what happens

[Firebringer]

yeah its pretty silly considering the scum team is me, you and alisae.

[Firebringer]

ill tell you in our pt

[Firebringer]

i feel 60/40 on this flipping scum.
I probably should have looked at vote counts and looked at his iso more.

[Firebringer]

yeah its pretty silly considering the scum team is me, you and alisae.

I clearly said exactly 1.

thats the joke

[Firebringer]

for night wifom:
if flips scum
i will guard FL
if flips town
i will guard roden

And with that i go sleep

[Firebringer]

I guarded Roden last night.

Sheep is a weird night kill

[Firebringer]

Are you counterclaiming?

Yep im the cop. I counter claimed straight away by saying flav scum or town gambiting

i said flavor was gambiting as well.

so either this is universe in which both bob/norwee have to be scum together. Unlikely
or norwee/bob/hua are all scum together. Even more unlikely.

or scum team is just FL (tried to bait a counter claim), Alisae, and Dunnstral is my last guess.

[Firebringer]

How does Flavor claiming macho make Fire mafia? Can you walk me through that

FL and Fire if they're mafia together, would be claiming macho to make fire's claim look more realistic.
This is something I think FL would realistically do.

I also think Fire's voting history is also just very individually wolfy for him and I think both FL and Fire are just mafia.

Do tell how my voting history is wolfy

Fire's play to me looks like he's not really trying to do anything that's unnecessary and he's just letting FL do FL.
It's very similar wolfplay to what I've played with.

I also think his actions don't rly make sense, where as town!fire actions do make sense. Fire bleeds town when he is town.

Thats how i play with FL always. U saying my actions make no sense is bs. Show me one thing you think doesn't make sense.

If you bet the game on me and dunnstral being town, this game is over.

lol no

you're telling me bob was also allowed to get results?
If you're mafia you're putting a roleblocker ontop of that shit bro if Fire is town like no I refuse to believe that Fire got roleblocked and their bodyguard on sakura failed, and I refuse to believe that mafia just wouldn't block jason instead

i don't think there is a roleblock, i think there is a strongman and I think sakura is a good n1 target for strongman because she is massively townread and a protective will protect her. Which happened here.
You pretending no one would strongman sakura is lots of bullshit

I think the game is PROBABLY
{Fire + Roden + FL}
I need to re-read d2 but I imagine Roden must of caused a huge buzz if day played out the way it did. I need to figure out why but I also might just not even be bothered. I can re-read it in F3 or whatever if I'm alive, and if I'm not, I'm sure Dunn can read it for me. I perfectly trust Dunn to make a good decision.

Roden is town

[Firebringer]

I guarded Roden last night.

Sheep is a weird night kill

Why roden

Roden is one of my strongest townreads
i also said i would guard him yesterday.
and i kind of was hoping there was a bit of wifom with scum thinking i wouldn't do what i said i would do if they knew me at all.
which didn't really work, but i was never guarding sheep.

it was between hua and roden for me guarding last night.

[Firebringer]

and hua was a bad target because of claims

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE:
want to think a bit.

I am having a hard time seeing Alisae/FL aligned right now.

[Firebringer]

Fire with what you know now out of (below) who do you think are the 3 scum

Flavor Leaf, Dunnstral, Roden, Alisae, Random Nurse

Norw clears me and I clear hu and norw and if you were town you would know that you were town

same question to roden

i already said FL/Dunnstral/Alisae
But im having a hard time seeing alisae/FL right now

It might be something like Dunnstral/Alisae/Roden
and Roden just has me pocketed

So basically you only chose to guard slots that scum would never kill, Fire?
Lol.

i guarded the night 1 kill bucko

fl if ur town this game is lost

Answer my quetions

[Firebringer]

scum definitely have a deep wolf

[Firebringer]

i never believed ur claim of cop

[Firebringer]

FL: How could town believe an obvious fake claim
Fire: I didn't believe it
FL: Because your scum

Astounding

[Firebringer]

Alisae going to ignore me I see.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Alisae

[Firebringer]

Alisae is always scum here
Flavor leaf might be town who is just being an idiot.

[Firebringer]

that wasn't positive at all

[Firebringer]

Alisae going to ignore me I see.

why should I talk to you?

Explain my voting history being wolfy
Explain how my actions don't make sense.

[Firebringer]

Yep not moving my vote

[Firebringer]

then vote alisae

[Firebringer]

can u just stop

[Firebringer]

flavor if ur town here
unvote and take a few days break from the game

[Firebringer]

Wait was that hammer?

no i checked he is at E-1

[Firebringer]

Want to hear Norwee towncase on Alisae

[Firebringer]

Wow, you know what,

If Alisae thought Norwegian was Cop after he told Firebringer to bodyguard there, that could explain why they needed to kill elsewhere, and Sheep was sheeping Millers and also was both pushing Random as scum and Hu Tao as town.

So i just really think Sheep got killed for their reads + unfadeable, and with that possibility of FB on Norwegian, it could have been bad bad for scum.

I can see that.

I was thinking scum didn’t have a way to stop bg so they went random but I think it was more for unfadable and not likely me to guard

I actually think more that Roden is more likely town now because if was scum he could have shot me and went with narrative that I was guarding him for town points

[Firebringer]

Roden is claiming mafia by voting me ig?

conveniant

[Firebringer]

yeah game is probably just as simple as alisae/dunn/random
Like maybe roden/alisae is distancing in here. Hard maybe on that.

Thats only way i see that team is wrong

[Firebringer]

Alisae is setting you up too, FB, so they had to shoot somewhere you wouldn’t guard.

This is also true

[Firebringer]

even if im wrong that FL isn't town here.
Alisae is 100% scum

[Firebringer]

4 mafia in a 13p is possible but extremely unlikely.
its not explicitly disallowed. I don't know of any rule that says you can't, but town would need much more power and with scum having a strongman that doesn't make sense.

and i am also in the NRG but haven't reviewed games in like a year

[Firebringer]

Like that read list is more realistically
{Bob, Norwee, Hu Tao}
{Dunnstral}
{Roden, Nurse}
{Firebringer}
{FL}

I am of the opinion that killing all 4 of u, fire, then roden wins game

thats three people.
and u thinking me and FL are a team is lol
I would just buss FL if i was scum with him

[Firebringer]

yeah no way this is a 4 player scum team game

[Firebringer]

also that game u linked looks so bad.
2 traitors in a game?!?!?!

[Firebringer]

Eddie Cane is a legend

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Firebringer]

No actually can we not kill Dunn and do the thing that FL wants the village to do????

No

[Firebringer]

Then why u asking me not to do something bro

[Firebringer]

Then we flip Alisae

[Firebringer]

Flavor if u let Alisae go tomorrow when im gone. I am going to be shouting at you in the dead thread

[Firebringer]

it has occurred to me that for some reason FL and Fire would want to bus Dunn but I kinda just think Dunn is town lmfao

Then help us buss

[Firebringer]

Norwee and Hu need to stop being lazy and start doing shit.
Either voting or solving here.

[Firebringer]

it has occurred to me that for some reason FL and Fire would want to bus Dunn but I kinda just think Dunn is town lmfao

Then help us buss

did u read anything after the word but

we are bussing, help us buss.

[Firebringer]

Norwee and Hu need to stop being lazy and start doing shit.
Either voting or solving here.

I already have my reads I've posted. Not gonna post it over and over

Ur not voting so either ur waiting for something while doing nothing or ur reads aren't strong enough to be pushing anything.

So i repeat ur being lazy

[Firebringer]

can't spell bus without us

[Firebringer]

I guarded bob last night.

[Firebringer]

bob3141 has been killed! He was...

Town Cop!

Spoiler: Role PM

Town Cop

Welcome bob3141! You are a

Town Cop!

You are aligned with the Town, and win when all members of the Mafia have been eliminated.
Each night, you may target one living player and learn their alignment.
Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with your role name and alignment.

And I failed protecting twice in this game.
Amazing

[Firebringer]

So flavor leaf was right about a two shot scum ability probably odd night.

So now scum just need to elim me and win the game.

Well played.

[Firebringer]

(Hello Firebringer. Looks like you're destined to tunnel my slot once more? )
I thought the tone of this post was interesting. And yes, of course by "interesting" I really mean "scummy". Imo in 1v1s like these, scum tend to use these "no u" arguments more often than town. Like, fundamentally "this is bs" is a pretty empty argument. Imo town is on average more interested in explaining the reasons for their suspicions.

hey aisa,
sorry that u got a scum role pm

but nice to see u in this game.

[Firebringer]

I'm thinking I'm gonna call BS on your claim, now. If you were a Bodyguard as you said you are then you would've died last Night.

VOTE: Firebringer

Conveniant

[Firebringer]

scum is aisa/nurse/dunnstral

[Firebringer]

Not gonna even make a case on that team. Its pretty self evident how yesterday played out and now

[Firebringer]

I've changed my mind now that FL was town and Firebringer didn't protect the cop; I think we should eliminate Firebringer today and mass claim tomorrow actually.

You haven't changed anything. You said i was scum yesterday with FL, now after FL flips i am scum for not protecting bob when i did. You and alisae been angling for my mislim for days now

[Firebringer]

that doesn't make sense

[Firebringer]

I am watching anime. Whats up

[Firebringer]

I am watching anime. Whats up

What do you think of my solve? Also, are votes locked?

Its the same solve i have. Votes aren't locked here but we are in ELO. I am not in any rush to vote right now but if i felt like voting it owuld be dunny boi or aisa

[Firebringer]

frankly i don't understand how u got to the same solve as me with the logic on all three of scum voting FL yesterday, but im not gonna argue with u when we reached same conclusion

[Firebringer]

Not the person voting you?

Not my top 2

[Firebringer]

I have not been able to work with Norwee at all this game

[Firebringer]

So dunny is ur solve me Titus and Nurse or what is it?
I am assuming ur saying Aisa is town here

[Firebringer]

I have not been able to work with Norwee at all this game

i am actually fairly confident that if somehow this game became a me/aisa/norwee game that Norwee always votes me out.
So like....if we want to talk strategically, us elimming other scum here just delays the inevitable.

[Firebringer]

Thats assuming i fail every BG though. I mean....with my luck this game. Ehhh maybe we just leave aisa.

[Firebringer]

i am not giving up but i have no intention of trying to convince u i am town norwee

[Firebringer]

ive been townreading roden for like this whole game.
if u want to make a case on how i have been wrong this entire game on my strongest townread. I am willing to listen

But i have two questions for that right now just based on Titus entrance to this game:
1) if she is scum why is she argeeing with my solve and arguing for aisa to be the last scum to eliminate?
2) why wouldn't she be just pushing to elim me when that would game winning for her?

Like does Titus scum come in here and just reach my same conclusions to pocket me for some reason.
I find that hard to believe

and this is all without me talking about Roden.

Then take aisa/Alisae slot. I can clearly show you the path of where alisae has been planning to line me up as a elim.

[Firebringer]

Well if RN isn't scum. I don't know why i haven't been voted out yet.
Maybe Aisa not being online is the factor.

But yes, my solve is Dunnstral/Aisa/Nurse
Nurse is the one im less confident on and is just the PoE because Titus is town.

[Firebringer]

not feeling well

v/la for next two days

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Random Nurse

[Firebringer]

I kinda wanna YOLO and just vote one of those slots but there’s also this voice in my head saying i should act reasonable and stuff.

Sigh…

never be reasonable in mafia.
thats the fools game

[Firebringer]

Get well soon Firebringer.
So i can bully your slot with no regret again.

u would so even if i wasn't sick

[Firebringer]

You actually did the first tine now that I am looking. Recently you haven't though.

Then maybe you should vote him

[Firebringer]

I would never vote Aisa over Fire so if i die tonight then scum prob wants to angle Aisa as a mislim to some other more easily persuadable slots.

So ur saying I shouldn't guard u. Got it

[Firebringer]

I thought their case on FL was really good.
And Fire probably is scum, but FL is such a juicy red herring in every game.

and i said yesterday that FL was a wagon scum wanted.
All three of my scumreads were on it.

[Firebringer]

scum have more incentive to kill hua over norwee imo

[Firebringer]

I don't find u mean at all Aisa.
Just a scum bunny is all.

If i cared enough i would counter ur arguments but i don't.
if u think im scum with Nurse, why aren't u voting nurse?

[Firebringer]

"Why do you think I'm town?" "Oh, your progression makes sense"

Like this for instance.
I think i explained some of my townreads pretty well. I didn't write out paragraphs on them but like this isnt trying to gather headspace. This is just to call reasons weaksauce.

I do enjoy reading your commentary though on my posts. Keep it up.

[Firebringer]

I'm confbiasing, so obviously this is irrefutable proof that FB is scum!!

This was best part of ur post. Such an honest scum bunny. So fluffy

[Firebringer]

Honestly i am kind of in auto pilot on this game guys.
I haven't seen anyone towncase aisa/alisae for me to make me doubt my Titus read at all.

The only thing I should be doing is trying to convince Norwee/Hu of my solve. And I don't care to od that at all either. So i am left with just waiting for the two conftown to do something because game is waiting on them and they don't want to take responsibility to lead.

i am not leading this game day. For one more than half of you think im scum, which isamusing. I would think i am scum too with how all my BGs failed and the amount of effort i put into actual sorting/solving isn't at the highest level (i will give scum aisa some credit there that is a good way to focus me).

Two, i don't have someone to ping back and forth with to move this game forward cause i already have a strong solve. The only ? would be if i was wrong on either Titus/Ais and im gonna be honest, theres no way i think i can objectively read Aisa given my prior performances reading her. I think Alisae is easier in a lot of ways to read and the way interacted with me was way scumsae would. Especially the way flip flopped, with the way treated FL, and many others.

If yall don't want to play, lets vote out Nurse. I have seen zero people argue Nurse is town. The fact i am not dead yet after being voted this long is proof enough that isn't town.

[Firebringer]

Role claims:
Firebringer BG (N1 Sakura, N2 Roden, N3 Bob)
Titus - VT
Aisa - Miller
Nurse - ???
Norwee - Informed Townie
Hu Tao - don't care

Doubt Nurse claims anything outside of VT.

[Firebringer]

I refuse to be townie

[Firebringer]

Norwee i don't care if you don't townread me. I don't know how many times i need to repeat that.

the only thing i want from you is a concise reason on why i am wrong on aisa/alisae that you continue to not give.

[Firebringer]

i think ur trying to bait me into an argument now. Okay we don't need to talk about anything then.

[Firebringer]

Does that fact frustrate you?

CALLED IT

[Firebringer]

the only thing i want to discuss is Titus/Aisa
you don't want to discuss that.

So now we sit here and talk about anime instead

[Firebringer]

Getting mad in mafia is silly, especially when i clearly see you baiting me

[Firebringer]

I am a scum Bodyguard obviously

[Firebringer]

I can pretend ur scummy for a bit if it makes u feel better.
Ur new avi is kind of sus

[Firebringer]

So scum no kill to ensure i wouldn't die
i guarded norwee last night
thought i could get scum to think i wouldn't target norwee by saying he wasn't worthy of protection but then they just go no kill.

Looks like they didn't want to take a 50/50.

Anyways Nurse flip all but confirms Aisa isn't miller. 100% scum were informed of amount of millers and tried to hide in them.

VOTE: Aisa

[Firebringer]

Actually u know that. Let's just end this game.
It's Dunn/Aisa. Has to be. The no kill spews Fire as town.

VOTE: Aisa

only norwee needs night actions to read me smh

[Firebringer]

ill take that as a compliment

[Firebringer]

You also said the words "if fire is town it can ONLY be Aisa and Dunn scum", and you're currently voting me. If you're not sure I'm scum, then you're risking a quickhammer.

There is no risk of a quickhammer

[Firebringer]

So we are unfortunately in the situation where we have to vote first.

VOTE: Dunn

Also a good vote

[Firebringer]

I, uh, may be sliightly leaning towards thinking that this is just the excuse FB came up with to be able to hop on my wagon

Ive been scumreading your slot for days lol

[Firebringer]

Let's consider a world in which Fire and Titus are scum. What do you think is better for them - no killing, or killing? If they kill you or Hu Tao, maybe the credibility of FB's claim is called into question. If they no kill, the credibility of FB's claim is not called into question. I guess the downside of leaving you alive is that you seemed more aligned with me and Dunn yesterday. But importantly, killing you or Hu Tao is not obviously the right choice for an FB+Titus team. It immediately puts the spotlight on FB. It results in nothing near a guaranteed victory for them.

Okay uno reverse time:
Spotlight has been on me for days due to my failing BGs. Yet you argue that scum me is worried about a spotlight so i go for no kill. Genius move

Meanwhile we have the easy to show cycle of you and alisae both been pushing me for days and a clear setup to elim me.Alisae had been saying for DAYS that if i was still alive that i should get elimmed or if i failed I get elimmed.

So if I succeeded last night then you are left in an awkward position and then have to buss your teammate dunnstral while having to make argument that its also Titus.

[Firebringer]

the only other possible team here if aisa is town is Titus/Dunnstral and that means Titus is bussing right now, after no killing.

[Firebringer]

1. We do not know what scum were informed of. I guess the fact they were informed of the Millers is credible, but still, uncertainty n all that. I remember that a very wise you once said to me and others to not solve games from mechanics. At least I think that was you. Oh how the tables have turned

2. More importantly... the fact scum were informed of the presence of millers does not in any way prove that someone in the scumteam must have fakeclaimed miller.

Both of these are true. I am not using mech to solve you aisa and you know that.
I am highlighting that the mech side bolsters my argument.

You might not be informed of millers, but I def don't believe alisae/ur claim of miller.

[Firebringer]

also we aren't no elimming.
I don't remember a single time that has ever helped town

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90% sure this Aisa here, but I am starting to think aisa scum would just go for norwee kill instead of Hua.

I may reread Titus/Aisa iso. This will hopefully happen before I leave for my trip.

@mod I will be V/lA out of the country Wednesday night to following Tuesday 8/23 - 8/29 -

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ur first mistake was doing what norwee wants.
the trick to norwee is to just make fun of him

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Sorry if this is wrong and someone then comes along and hammers it!

theres no way someone can yolo hammer it. don't play dumb aisa
its 3 to elim

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you know im fairly certain it is aisa, but i kind of just want to give her the win if its her.
alisae kind of earned this win tbh. Wonder why replaced out when winning

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Also wouldn't it be funny if Fire was scum and brought me to ElO to try to fool me.

I would 100% do this my friendo

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VOTE: Titus

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I'm honestly starting to doubt myself a lot here. Both Fire and Aisa feel like they make sense as scum.
This game is hard...

Agreed.

Titus left field positions herself to go for me or aisa. Meaning she can float either of us. I don't see her transition into scumreading me. Besides saying she had some doubts yesterday. The more i think about the final 4 in this game the more i think Titus benefits the most from the people being left since i was hard townreading her slot, NOrwee only considered myself or aisa. Aisa was focused on me.

Roden was super townie but Titus has been like making me rethink it hard here. i questioned why she would have been buddying me if she was scum, cause i didn't see a benefit for scum because she could just elim me to win but now i think it was just because wanted me to focus on aisa since i was wrong.

okay, happy with this. if im wrong and its aisa, w/e well played

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aisa how do u feel about being hammer tested

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norwee, vote Titus to test Aisa.

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i accept all blame for this game if aisa hammers

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thats a limited time offer because normally i never accept any blame

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he would just hammer as any alignment. not much of a test little bunny

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ohh and a hammer test wouldn't work with me because ive been tested before pretending to be confirmed town and not hammering just for the memes.

so theres no point in doing it for me.
But you on the other hand, ur not as troll as me.

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Fire absolutely would pretend to be confirmed town and drag out the day for the lulz.

i would, so the only person that should be hammer tested is Titus or aisa.

But you on the other hand, ur not as troll as me.

How could you tell... I thought I was keeping up an effective disguise

ur level of trolling is calling me firebreather

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Norwee being right doesn't sound right at all.
Alisae must be scum

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I am sleepy norwee

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Also hi titus hope ur doing well friendo

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sleey

sounds like u need sleep too

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i hope the big reveal is ur scum

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go back to sleep nerd

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I was gonna say u still have me, but im team sleep now.

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I'm bored now, who wants to kill Firebringer?

Down

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And it's all Fire's fault that i feel this way.

i accept all responsibility.
Except for the pregnancy.

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Btw i knew from the very start of this day that Fire was scum.

I hope your scum because ur gonna have to wear a big clown hat if its Titus and I was right here.

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good point, then ur just a clown =]

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i am tempted to self hammer to prove u wrong but i want to give Titus the game winning hammer

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Ur not a cop

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You had ur fun yet? I know your not a cop buddy or your lying for some dumb reason

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I know ur lying buddy.

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I think you ran this joke into the ground Norwee
you can stop pretending you have a guilty

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ur a very excitable bunny

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you def have me beat on the doubling down on a fake claim

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So it isn't Titus

VOTE: Aisa

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Shouldn't have doubted my townread on Roden I guess

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key words were PR, not cop.

Norwee not even mad for lying but i bet Titus will have some words with you post game lol

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i guess theres always chance that aisa was a scum redirector and there wasn't a strongman like i thought but i think norwee just lying here.

Welp w/e, gg scum

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I haven't died N1 in a long time, why did i die.

you were never getting mislimmed

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Fire never shoots Norwee lol

True
even when its advantageous like taking hu to end game when she isn't playing or doing anything was probably smarter, but then i have to be like 'yeah i didn't guard norwee'. Or you know lie and say for a third time there was a failed BG.

Honestly after my second failed bg i should have been instant elimmed. The plan was to kill me after we killed bob but the game made a wild shift onto Nurse.

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Didn't like the setup, especially the part where its heavily encouraging us to fake millers. Which I saw early on but we decided against it, it was either immediately do it or never try it and by time we actually all talked about there was like 2 miller claims already on the board and the hiding effect isn't worth it imo.

Especially if our hiding miller flips it nearly confirms all the remaining millers as town which we didn't want at all. I think the issues with this setup are if town treats all millers as town and then having a full cop and backup to check the remaining.

I think it was a bit too townsided with that power, we had negative utility on our side with only benefit was knowing the millers which was useful to us but again theres a risk in hiding in the millers we didn't want.

anyways gg to town.
I think Rat is right that this game was won on pure mechanics instead of day play, and i wish i could have played this last day without a guilty on me to see if i could pull it off, but we will never know

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If the mafia had better players

the fuck is wrong with you

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my cop cover was just tooo good

i thought you were a cop for a minute. By the time i figured out you were not the night ended and we didn't get to change kills.

I was probably not going to flip it to Bob though. So it wouldn't have made a difference in the end

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Yeah my cop ability did feel a bit cheap, but i think i hid the fact i had it decently well by just appearing to be very chaotic as an player.
I also thought that if i acted extra harsh towards Aisa yesterday then the assumption was that if Fire was scum then they were more likely to keep me for endgame, thus allowing me to check them on that night. Which is what ended up happening.

Gonna use every advantage i have.

I was always going to keep you to endgame even if you hard scumread me.
Hu was too inactive for me to want in endgame

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im fine with releasing scum pt. nothing i want to redact.
can see me having fun as Norwee has me pinned down

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i imagine aisa trying to think of a bad nickname for u now.

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My impressions of Firepup: He's actually solving so he's probably scum.

Guess this still holds up in modern days

i told you it was true

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scenario 2 -
4 town millers
1 cop
1 gated cop and or cop backup (limited shots/even odd night or something)
4 VTs
3 scum

one of my first posts in the scum chat laying out two possible setup scenarios we were in

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And then I never go to look for a second PR. Embarassing

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i thought hua was a PR for awhile since he hadn't ever claimed but something worthless that wasn't getting results