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[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d like it if we didn’t default to that because that usually makes the game harder for the conf!town since everyone else isn’t solving and just waiting for our decision to sheep.

[Aisa]

Me and Hu Tao conf!town.
Alisae claim miller.
I claimed informed townie that this game only has 1 cop.
Firebringer claimed bodyguard but hasn’t protected anyone.

Ok fab thank you
I suppose there's no way of knowing whether scum has a roleblocker or the fabled strongman or whatever so for me the fact FB has failed to protect anyone doesn't really say much about his alignment (aside from the fact that with me town + 2 conftown he has a pretty high likelihood of being scum regardless)

I’d like it if we didn’t default to that because that usually makes the game harder for the conf!town since everyone else isn’t solving and just waiting for our decision to sheep.

I like solving games and efforting so we should get along on that front!

[Aisa]

And we're definitely 100% sure Bob has innos on Norwee and Hu Tao right? I don't think it's very likely at all that he lied but lemme just double check what he said before I take these two slots out of my PoE forever.

Are you counterclaiming?

Yep im the cop. I counter claimed straight away by saying flav scum or town gambiting

n1 norw and n2 hu tao

Fire with what you know now out of (below) who do you think are the 3 scum

Flavor Leaf, Dunnstral, Roden, Alisae, Random Nurse

Norw clears me and I clear hu and norw and if you were town you would know that you were town

same question to roden

Ok yeah, there's no way everyone actually misunderstood bob's results. bob had clears on Norwee and Hu Tao. Into the sacred shrine of our conftown overlords you go.

I think the cop dying is a blessing in disguise here, I was going to enter the game on a massive rant about how bob was not at all conftown but this kill just confirms 2 town slots for us for free.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i could have argued Bob was town pretty confidently even if it wasn’t outright confirmed to me. But yeah, it does remove all possible doubt now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s between Random Nurse, Firebringer, Titus and Dunnstral for me.
Feel like it’s pretty likely Fire is maf. Question becomes which is the town in those 4 slots.

[Aisa]

How does Flavor claiming macho make Fire mafia? Can you walk me through that

FL and Fire if they're mafia together, would be claiming macho to make fire's claim look more realistic.
This is something I think FL would realistically do.

I also think Fire's voting history is also just very individually wolfy for him and I think both FL and Fire are just mafia.

Do tell how my voting history is wolfy

Fire's play to me looks like he's not really trying to do anything that's unnecessary and he's just letting FL do FL.
It's very similar wolfplay to what I've played with.

I also think his actions don't rly make sense, where as town!fire actions do make sense. Fire bleeds town when he is town.

Thats how i play with FL always. U saying my actions make no sense is bs. Show me one thing you think doesn't make sense.

If you bet the game on me and dunnstral being town, this game is over.

lol no

you're telling me bob was also allowed to get results?
If you're mafia you're putting a roleblocker ontop of that shit bro if Fire is town like no I refuse to believe that Fire got roleblocked and their bodyguard on sakura failed, and I refuse to believe that mafia just wouldn't block jason instead

i don't think there is a roleblock, i think there is a strongman and I think sakura is a good n1 target for strongman because she is massively townread and a protective will protect her. Which happened here.
You pretending no one would strongman sakura is lots of bullshit

I think the game is PROBABLY
{Fire + Roden + FL}
I need to re-read d2 but I imagine Roden must of caused a huge buzz if day played out the way it did. I need to figure out why but I also might just not even be bothered. I can re-read it in F3 or whatever if I'm alive, and if I'm not, I'm sure Dunn can read it for me. I perfectly trust Dunn to make a good decision.

Roden is town

(Hello Firebringer. Looks like you're destined to tunnel my slot once more? )
I thought the tone of this post was interesting. And yes, of course by "interesting" I really mean "scummy". Imo in 1v1s like these, scum tend to use these "no u" arguments more often than town. Like, fundamentally "this is bs" is a pretty empty argument. Imo town is on average more interested in explaining the reasons for their suspicions.

[Aisa]

I felt kind of ambivalent about Roden slot as I was catching up. I guess that's now Titus. Hi Titus.

Jason was right, the only way this set up makes sense is if scum were informed and the set up isn't what we think it is

I liked the fact that Roden seemed sceptical of the towncore yesterday although I guess it's not hard to see how that's a reaction that could come from scum

I don't know, I can't think of a team that makes sense.

I also kinda liked his air of uncertainty but I guess there's no special reason that's town-indicative

JasonWazza voting me only reinforces that they are town, in my mind.

VOTE: Mikhail

I didn't think that was a particularly scummy statement from Mikhail, so I wasn't sure what had caused the vote. Guess I'll never find out!

Yeah I'm aware none of these things are a big deal, but thought I'd do a stream of consciousness kinda thing. And with that goodbye, see you tomorrow

[Firebringer]

I guarded bob last night.

[Firebringer]

bob3141 has been killed! He was...

Town Cop!

Spoiler: Role PM

Town Cop

Welcome bob3141! You are a

Town Cop!

You are aligned with the Town, and win when all members of the Mafia have been eliminated.
Each night, you may target one living player and learn their alignment.
Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with your role name and alignment.

And I failed protecting twice in this game.
Amazing

[Firebringer]

So flavor leaf was right about a two shot scum ability probably odd night.

So now scum just need to elim me and win the game.

Well played.

[Titus]

Ok, time to get hard data in.

[Titus]

Are the cop checks 100% confirmed.

I don't like a VCA here but it feels required.

[Titus]

Votecount 1.4

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MikhailTal (2):

JasonWazza, osuka

Flavor Leaf(3):

Flavor Leaf, NorwegianboyEE, MikhailTal

Dunnstral(3):

Sakura Hana, Firebringer, Alisae

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

Not Voting (3):

Hu Tao, Dunnstral, Takutai

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Votecount 1.5

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MikhailTal (2):

JasonWazza, osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Dunnstral(1):

Firebringer

osuka (4):

Roden, Random Nurse, Sakura Hana, Alisae

Takutai (1):

NorwegianboyEE

Random Nurse (1):

MikhailTal

Not Voting (3):

Hu Tao, Dunnstral, Takutai

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Takutai (6)

E-1

:

NorwegianboyEE, Saukura Hana, JasonWazza, Firebringer, Alisae, MikhailTal

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Takutai

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[Titus]

Votecount 1.4

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13

alive, it takes

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votes

MikhailTal (2):

JasonWazza, osuka

Flavor Leaf(3):

Flavor Leaf,

NorwegianboyEE,

MikhailTal

Dunnstral(3):

Sakura Hana,

Firebringer, Alisae

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

Not Voting (3):

Hu Tao

, Dunnstral,

Takutai

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MikhailTal (2):

JasonWazza, osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Dunnstral(1):

Firebringer

osuka (4):

Roden, Random Nurse,

Sakura Hana,

Alisae

Takutai (1):

NorwegianboyEE

Random Nurse (1):

MikhailTal

Not Voting (3):

Hu Tao,

Dunnstral,

Takutai

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Takutai (6)

E-1

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NorwegianboyEE,

Saukura Hana, JasonWazza,

Firebringer, Alisae,

MikhailTal

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral,

Takutai

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[Firebringer]

(Hello Firebringer. Looks like you're destined to tunnel my slot once more? )
I thought the tone of this post was interesting. And yes, of course by "interesting" I really mean "scummy". Imo in 1v1s like these, scum tend to use these "no u" arguments more often than town. Like, fundamentally "this is bs" is a pretty empty argument. Imo town is on average more interested in explaining the reasons for their suspicions.

hey aisa,
sorry that u got a scum role pm

but nice to see u in this game.

[Random Nurse]

I'm thinking I'm gonna call BS on your claim, now. If you were a Bodyguard as you said you are then you would've died last Night.

VOTE: Firebringer

[Firebringer]

I'm thinking I'm gonna call BS on your claim, now. If you were a Bodyguard as you said you are then you would've died last Night.

VOTE: Firebringer

Conveniant

[Dunnstral]

I propose a mass claim tomorrow

Why, I love this suggestion. How are we doing claim-wise? Is there a summary of claims somewhere?

Does anyone want to try to summarise the game for me while we are at it? Are there any bits I should read first?

I've changed my mind now that FL was town and Firebringer didn't protect the cop; I think we should eliminate Firebringer today and mass claim tomorrow actually.

Not opposed to mass claiming today, though, if Hu Tao/Norwegeianboy think that is a good idea. Probably not a big deal either way as mafia have to kill those two already.

[Dunnstral]

It’s between Random Nurse, Firebringer, Titus and Dunnstral for me.
Feel like it’s pretty likely Fire is maf. Question becomes which is the town in those 4 slots.

It would be Random Nurse, Firebringer, and Titus if you are sure that Aisa is town

[Firebringer]

scum is aisa/nurse/dunnstral

[Titus]

I'm wanting a Dunn or Alisae flip atm

[Firebringer]

Not gonna even make a case on that team. Its pretty self evident how yesterday played out and now

[Dunnstral]

I'm wanting a Dunn or Alisae flip atm

I'm sure you do lol

[Dunnstral]

Norwe what do you think of 3219?

[Dunnstral]

Random Nurse is only now switching to fire when they are pretty much already outted

I am not seeing how Titus is looking at that VCA and deciding that I am the one that needs to die. It feels fake.