Mini 687 - Time Abuse Mafia (Game Over in Epic Fashion)

[MafiaSSK]

fos: MafiaSSK

I don't like the fact that you've called for a claim and withdrawn it without any explanation. Why isn't is mass claim time?

I reread the page and thought it wasn't the plan.

[MafiaSSK]

I am

The Roleblocker

I have none'd all nights. I am town-aligned.

[qwints]

I think Nat's claim makes the mass claim issue a moot point.

Show your loyalty to mother Russia Mafia and vote Nat.

[Natirasha]

If he kills me, then you will all become townies again. If he kills a recruit, I still got others. However, I chose the four I did because they are all the most active and willing to quicklynch. If, after today, all of my dudes QL before a Portal opens, nothing else can happen.

Vote: Cruciare

. I am willing to continue one more night to let qwints get recruited. After that, I kill myself tomorrow and you guys lynch peg for the win.

[MafiaSSK]

Vote Cruciare

[qwints]

hmm, well that's a bad sign for us loyal russians...

What's the flavor of the cult?

[Natirasha]

hmm, well that's a bad sign for us loyal russians...

What's the flavor of the cult?

I'm a fifth dimension agent, sent from the future where this experiment destroyed the world to stop the experiment by sleeping with everyone's grandmothers.

[Natirasha]

qwints: I am offering you a chance to easily win the game, why aren't you taking it?

[Natirasha]

But we don't know what will happen if a mafia goon activates his device after having killed you or a recruit on night one.

What if I recruit that goon? Then there's profit for him to not activate his device.

[qwints]

qwints: I am offering you a chance to easily win the game, why aren't you taking it?

1. You could be lying. The fact that you've claimed 4 recruits is suspicious given the fact that you only had 3 nights to do it in. Even more shady is the fact that you've already claimed a majority of votes - you could activate at the next vortex and have majority cult the next day.

2. I don't like that sort of game play. What's to stop everyone from agreeing to join the cult at the beginning of the game and winning? Just no lynch/no kill til we're all one big happy family. My role says I win by eliminating all threats to the experiment and I intend to do so.

3. I'm not sure your analysis of the game is correct. The mafia are going to activate their devices when you do, and I've got no idea how that is going to resolve.

@MafiaSSK:
Are you voting cruciare in anticipation of being recruited into the cult?

[Natirasha]

3. I'm not sure your analysis of the game is correct. The mafia are going to activate their devices when you do, and I've got no idea how that is going to resolve.

No. Only the player who kills themselves abilities activate. Not everyone's abilities activate at once. That's the whole point of the game--you have to die to use abilities.

[qwints]

Nat, more than one person can activate their device while a temporal vortex is open. Since you've claimed that cult has an easy win once you activate your device, the scum have nothing to lose by activating their devices. Therefore they will do so. What happens post-activation is going to be very weird as we are going to get some paradoxes. Here are just a few weird questions:

Q1: What happens if you were nk'd before you activated your device? You can't activate your device on day 5 if you died on night 4.

Q2: What happens to our previous lynches if somebody on the wagon was killed on a night before they voted for a lynch?

Q3: Since this game looks set up to have multiple time lines, can different groups win different time lines?

[Vi]

I disagree with this proposal for two reasons:

1) Natirasha ALWAYS fakeclaims.
2) If he's lying and we let him Time Dilate, oops and oh well.

If cult has a majority - and they would if Natirasha is telling the truth and offs himself - then they should win instantly if he's telling the truth. It's a WIFOM I'm not willing to take, at least as of the moment.

The fact that you've claimed 4 recruits is suspicious given the fact that you only had 3 nights to do it in.

Go through this thread and count carefully. <_<

I think we have a more vested interest in a...

Vote: MafiaSSK

, because I can only see a roleblocker as a harmful role in a setup like this.

@Natirasha: Why did you cult the people you did?

[qwints]

I see. I missed the night start.

Mod, could you update the thread title date, please?

Vi,
If you're not going to lynch Nat, why not vote for Cruciare? I see no benefit for you in lynching another purported cult recruit.

[Natirasha]

I
@Natirasha: Why did you cult the people you did?

MafiaSSK: I culted him because he lurks through games and generally does not garner much suspicion from either side until lategame.
Vi: A voice of reason, the town was very unlikely to lynch you.
forbiddanlight: At this point I knew if I could just get a lot of active people, I knew I could easily quicklynch people once I got a cult up and running. FL is extremely active.
RossWilliams: After the first three recruits and I, he seemed to be the most active.

[Natirasha]

Nat, more than one person can activate their device while a temporal vortex is open. Since you've claimed that cult has an easy win once you activate your device, the scum have nothing to lose by activating their devices. Therefore they will do so. What happens post-activation is going to be very weird as we are going to get some paradoxes. Here are just a few weird questions

Well, heres the plan then.

We lynch Cruciare today. I cult qwints tonight. We activate the Time Dilation tomorrow, then lynch Peg.

[Vi]

Vi,
If you're not going to lynch Nat, why not vote for Cruciare? I see no benefit for you in lynching another purported cult recruit.

I don't think Cruciare is scum. I'm aiming for scum. Isn't that what you wanted us to do?~

I see your reasons, Nati, and they're not bad at all. I still have to wonder why I should believe a (however entertaining) claim from a habitual liar.

[qwints]

Well, in the interests of avoiding an insta-win by the alleged cult.

unvote, vote mafiassk

I'm not sure I buy the claim that town rbs are unlikely in this set up, but mafia's play today has been pretty scummy.

See his "mistake" on calling for a mass claim and the blind following of nat. Nat's "claim" could be part of an nefarious plot by bold scum, and mafia's blind following is undeniably anti-town.

[Natirasha]

I see your reasons, Nati, and they're not bad at all. I still have to wonder why I should believe a (however entertaining) claim from a habitual liar.

What do I need to do to convince you of my truth?

[MafiaSSK]

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@MafiaSSK:
Are you voting cruciare in anticipation of being recruited into the cult?

Yes.

[Vi]

I see your reasons, Nati, and they're not bad at all. I still have to wonder why I should believe a (however entertaining) claim from a habitual liar.

What do I need to do to convince you of my truth?

Be someone else

Aside from that, tell me who the Mafia are.

[MafiaSSK]

I disagree with this proposal for two reasons:

1) Natirasha ALWAYS fakeclaims.

When? I've only seen Nati claim his truthful role.

I think we have a more vested interest in a...

Vote: MafiaSSK

, because I can only see a roleblocker as a harmful role in a setup like this.

Yeah. Roleblocker is probably harmful but I've noned each night.

[Vi]

I disagree with this proposal for two reasons:

1) Natirasha ALWAYS fakeclaims.

When? I've only seen Nati claim his truthful role.

If you'll forgive me for saying so,

in your own game

.
Read also his wiki entry.

[MafiaSSK]

I disagree with this proposal for two reasons:

1) Natirasha ALWAYS fakeclaims.

When? I've only seen Nati claim his truthful role.

If you'll forgive me for saying so,

in your own game

.
Read also his wiki entry.

Pardon me, but that was a joke claim and as thus doesn't count.

[MafiaSSK]

I disagree with this proposal for two reasons:

1) Natirasha ALWAYS fakeclaims.

When? I've only seen Nati claim his truthful role.

Read also his wiki entry.

Sure enough. Never mind.

Unvote