Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[KatyKimFanClub]

VOTE: de70

?? Why

I felt like it

[KatyKimFanClub]

Oh rofl did he claim a really town role or something.

[AniX]

He claimed to a cop whose ability goes away the moment a town player is limmed.

[Political Clout]

I'd be ok with no lim, since it is the limited case where we can lock DragonEater into using his cop ability.

No protective roles.

[AniX]

So? Putting the mafia into a position where they either need to sink a kill into a role that is on the precipice of useless or letting a cop investigation go is a position I want them to be in.

[AniX]

Like unless we get lucky, we are going to lim a townfolk, lose the cop ability anyway, AND lose an actually useful role tonight. No lim saves us at least one townie, likely two, AND gives us a shot at a investigation.

[Theta Alpine]

if ranger targets me with their ability then if mafia shoots dragoneater then i can just
treestump dragoneater and we get the result anyways

[Ircher]

Like unless we get lucky, we are going to lim a townfolk, lose the cop ability anyway, AND lose an actually useful role tonight. No lim saves us at least one townie, likely two, AND gives us a shot at a investigation.

This seems reasonable. I'm on board with it.

[AniX]

Vote No Lim

, I'm free and clear to track tonight.

[camelCasedSnivy]

Vote No Lim

, I'm free and clear to track tonight.

I would expand your pool to scare scum

[Bingle]

I'd be ok with no lim, since it is the limited case where we can lock DragonEater into using his cop ability.

No protective roles.

Staying on odds isn't a real consideration given the plethora of killing roles. No lim is a solid choice here.

[AniX]

You know what, that's fair.

Vote Political Clout

[AniX]

I'll switch back the moment No Lim gets momentum though.

[Ircher]

VOTE: No Fade

[Political Clout]

I'd be ok with no lim, since it is the limited case where we can lock DragonEater into using his cop ability.

No protective roles.

Staying on odds isn't a real consideration given the plethora of killing roles. No lim is a solid choice here.

The only other killing role I see is arsonist. Anixs post has too many assumptions to be given any serious consideration. We should stick to site meta. It is all wifom putting stock in a cop that may or may not be a cop, who anix believes is scum if I'm not mistaken ,and dragoneater if he lives will gives us a check which if scum may or may not be true and then the next day what will anix do? Let dragoneater live if they agree with their cop check? Or will they be unsatisfied with who dragoneater checked and push them again day 2? Overall it doesn't come from a town mindset of see scum kill scum. Collectively we should come to a decision today to have associations and information.

[Political Clout]

I will be tracking someone in the no lim wagon if it is achieved as scum are likely to be there.

[AniX]

See scum kill scum only works if you see scum. Otherwise, you are as likely to kill town as anything else. Sticking to site meta is silly in a game that began far adrift from the normal meta and went even further when we all fullclaimed day 1. The only people who benefit from business as usual are the scum whose game plan is still business as usual.

[AniX]

Nobody is putting "stock" in DragonEater. I'm certainly not. But any result of his night will give us more information than a shot in the dark kill today.

[Ranger]

Okay.
Ngl, I'm multitasking; my head's not fully here. I'm also ludicrously behind.
I'll try my best to make up for lost time regardless.

[Bingle]

Right, so individual roles:

Active Roles, ordered by potential power if town:

Aureal, if town, is more useful as a roleblocker generator than a vig generator.
DE is a cop if we don't lim town, which means that until a town lim he should keep original role.
PC is a cop.
Cook is a permaroleblocker through use of the modifier 'simple'.
AniX is investigative.
CCS roleblocks three people in the same phase.

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STD is net 0 utility.
Ircher is net 0 utility.
SkyG has an irrelevant ability.
RN should actively not use their ability.
Ranger should actively not use her ability.

That leaves 11/17 people who are eligible for AMWAY, including me on the supposition that I would be able to accept the recruit and just not get anything from it. That means a potential of 1 vig (Aureal) and 5 roleblockers (Aureal and the first four in the chain). If we assume that scum will shoot someone who is better than a roleblocker tonight, that means that Drew should also be excluded from the chain, which means that we should manage to net 0 vigs and 4 rb's from Aureal's role.

Additionally, it means a pool of 5 people for a permaroleblock via cook. If we can confirm all the people who should be keeping their actives (Aureal/DE/PC/Cook/Anix/CCS) we can legitimately force a nightless + cop setup fairly easily here, which is autowin for town.

DK dying at night would be amazing, and if it happens we should lim Drew the following day. DK will almost certainly not be dying at night, because a live DK isn't a risk to the scum team.

Theta's action is useless. If the modifier applies to theta's amway powers, theta should be the last powered member of the chain and should probably target me as a BP IC is pretty strong. If theta's modifier wouldn't apply, then :shrugs:. Aureal needs to clarify if the Amway powerset overwrites passives/modifiers/factional actions.

[Political Clout]

Nobody is putting "stock" in DragonEater. I'm certainly not. But any result of his night will give us more information than a shot in the dark kill today.

You are looping.

If you could pick for dragoneater which player he could check who would it be?

In your opinion what would that players alignment be? And if that players alignment turns out opposite of what you assumed will you believe dragoneater? And will you change your mind on dragoneaters alignment why or why not? This is all pointless what you are saying.

If you think dragoneater is scum vote them. Otherwise tell dragoneater what he can do to change your mind.

[Bingle]

The only other killing role I see is arsonist.

3 claimed plus factional, and cook could arguably have access to the modifier suicidal.

[Ranger]

(I'm starting from page 58, which should get me up to date on the roles.)

I'll repost this part as I see roles are still being discussed.

Ranger:

Passifizer - Disables passives/modifiers for that night and following day, becomes miller during night when using.
I suspect I'm in the {Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub} group by the similar role naming scheme.

Cook:

Modifier - gives random negative utility to target.
(I suspect is in my role group. I believe my group, by the role names as a clue, is {Ranger, Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub}.)

camelCasedSnivy:

3x Baker - gives out goods which can self-roleblock when eaten, baked goods can be passed on.
(I suspect is in my role group. I believe my group, by the role names as a clue, is {Ranger, Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub}.)

KatyKimFanClub:

Revealer - reveals a random player's role if killed. (Sounds like what some call the Oracle role.)
(Might be in my role group? I believe my group, by the role names as a clue, is {Ranger, Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub}.)

While I'm still working on the full list, I believe per the rule of four, this group contains scum. {Ranger, Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub} should contain scum, and of them I believe Cook is scum by both play (I townread the other two) and by claim. As a reminder, my role's a

direct counter

to Cook's, and Cook's role is explicitly a negative utility role to actually use. Were I voting off mechanics more than play rn, I'd be voting Cook. (The Doctor Drew slot's still scum by play.)

[Ranger]

Maybe this is overly paranoid, but Baker and Oracle are both roles that were on EpicMafia? I know there was basically every role on EpicMafia but those were roles that were played somewhat frequently?

implosion actually came from EpicMafia if I recall correctly, and might be the only listmod who did. It'd be somewhat weird for the Normal listmod to submit all Themed role names; I can definitely see it as possible.

[camelCasedSnivy]

i still think {Skygazer, Ircher, AniX, Aureal?} are also in the same group

didnt think the no lim idea would catch on but im glad it did

VOTE: No Lim