Mini 2308 | Blood over Utopia | Utopia fell.

[biancospino]

Votecount 2-II

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.

execution votes

Deal With The Devil (2):

meowmeow (1505), RCEnigma (1524)

RCEnigma (1):

camelCasedSnivy (1466)

Not voting (9):

Merlyn, Deal With The Devil, Enchant, Flavor leaf, SirCakez, Aureal, Hu Tao, Cat Scratch Fever, marcistar

projects votes

Torture (4):

SirCakez (1470), Cat Scratch Fever (1471), Merlyn (1495), Flavor Leaf (1497)

Trading Outpost (3):

, Enchant (1504), meowmeow (1505), camelCasedSnivy (1571)

Guildhall (1):

Aureal (1474)

Not voting (4):

Deal With The Devil, RCEnigma, Hu Tao, marcistar

notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-08-19 11:00:00).

[Flavor Leaf]

At end of day, if someone last minute changes messing up balance on Trading Post and Torture, that’s effectively a scum claim

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum definitely have to pay to kill, I feel, probably the cost of their base money per night then depending how much we spend, they get extra.

I think if we torture me, I have a decent chance of getting killed, which I think is net positive on mech.

I feel like scum naturally don’t want the torture on me to happen.

[Merlyn]

Don’t think it’s as big a deal as you are making it out to be. Or maybe you aren’t and I’m thinking you are. But idc if people are careful with their voting.

Eh, I don't think asking a question is a big deal

[Merlyn]

there are potential secret half votes in play, i think, so we have to be careful.

there are potential secret half votes in play, i think, so we have to be careful.

i think we should make a new rule that everyone should unvote all other wagons if someone expresses intent to hammer then

If you two are concerned about this why not advocate for election security?

Because it wouldn’t change the mechanics of today.

It was on the board yesterday as an option, I even voted for it, and neither of these two were worried then.

is my rule not fair?

I don't think I understand your rule, can you explain to me what it accomplishes?

[Deal With The Devil]

I will actually finish reading this day in a couple hours, but for now...

BLOOD! VIOLENCE! PAIN!

HURT: Torture

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

I will actually finish reading this day in a couple hours, but for now...

BLOOD! VIOLENCE! PAIN!

HURT: Torture

- Alianna

Perhaps the Devil is not such a good influence...

[Flavor Leaf]

Cat Scratch Fever
Deal With The Devil
Hu Tao
Snivy

SirCakez
Enchant

Merlyn
Aureal
marcistar

Meowmeow

RCEnigma

Town-Lean Town

Light Scum-Lean Scum-Scum

Are my tiers, order within tiers probably are fine too

[Flavor Leaf]

Aureal
marcistar
Meowmeow
RCEnigma

I’m not totally against being the full scum team tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

Hu Tao is Roden right

[Deal With The Devil]

Hu Tao is Roden right

Hu Tao is Roden, Enchant is Nurse.

- Alianna

[marcistar]

omg he put me in pink <3

[Flavor Leaf]

i think 3 is the most likely answer, but the mod makes a point of making it ambiguous whether or not the mafia actually have a factional kill which i think implies it's more likely they *don't* have one

i think it could pretty easily be 4 as a result of that

it at least seems more likely that this is the case than the mod lied about projects funding the mafia

I don’t necessarily love the way that Meow talks looking back on Day 1.

This is an example of Meowmeow seeming kind of TMI imo.

There’s a lot of posts Meow makes where it looks like they’re wrangling the gamestate how they wanted with by using their reads, in a way that looks very townie early in the game, but reading their ISO back, it looks kind of like they’re trying to keep the game going the way they want it.

Does anyone have experience with ScumMeow? Are they normally decently town read as scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

Merlyn is pinging me a bit too, but they’d be scum accepting a torture on me voting to get ahead of it if they are scum.

I’ve had Merlyn on my scum team, and against me as scum, and I think I have a good handle on what scum them would be now, and they’re definitely in their scum range here, so they’re like the sun to my solve if I’m wrong on one of the other four.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Devil’s being targeted because them and I found each other as town, and Meow’s subtly been trying to break it up.

[marcistar]

ngl i dont like ur confidence LOL

[Aureal]

i think 3 is the most likely answer, but the mod makes a point of making it ambiguous whether or not the mafia actually have a factional kill which i think implies it's more likely they *don't* have one

i think it could pretty easily be 4 as a result of that

it at least seems more likely that this is the case than the mod lied about projects funding the mafia

I don’t necessarily love the way that Meow talks looking back on Day 1.

This is an example of Meowmeow seeming kind of TMI imo.

There’s a lot of posts Meow makes where it looks like they’re wrangling the gamestate how they wanted with by using their reads, in a way that looks very townie early in the game, but reading their ISO back, it looks kind of like they’re trying to keep the game going the way they want it.

Does anyone have experience with ScumMeow? Are they normally decently town read as scum?

I don't have a problem with this, I was having the same suspicions. Was not at all surprised that there was no kill and four Mafia- an irregular (if even existent) night kill would likely be balanced by having a larger scum faction. It's sort of nightless.

And I don't think anyone is going to know if they have experience with meow, she's an alt and I don't recall any mention of whose. Probably not anyone I'm familiar with.

Merlyn is pinging me a bit too, but they’d be scum accepting a torture on me voting to get ahead of it if they are scum.

I’ve had Merlyn on my scum team, and against me as scum, and I think I have a good handle on what scum them would be now, and they’re definitely in their scum range here, so they’re like the sun to my solve if I’m wrong on one of the other four.

I'm really not clear why you think they'd want to avoid you specifically being targeted. I think the primary concern would be to avoid it being used on scum because they're definitely confessing and we can't really ignore it if it happens, even if it could be a false confession.

[Flavor Leaf]

ngl i dont like ur confidence LOL

I imagine it would scare the scum team

[Flavor Leaf]

Torture in general.

But i was up for a sacrifice and being handled decently by scum.

Scum’s biggest harp this game is going to be running out of town misfades, and would naturally want to go against confirming a slot they thought would be a misfade this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Or at the very least, a sacrifice.

A conftown FL is not something a scum just wants to have.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Aureal why did you vote Infinity yesterday?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

i think 3 is the most likely answer, but the mod makes a point of making it ambiguous whether or not the mafia actually have a factional kill which i think implies it's more likely they *don't* have one

i think it could pretty easily be 4 as a result of that

it at least seems more likely that this is the case than the mod lied about projects funding the mafia

I don’t necessarily love the way that Meow talks looking back on Day 1.

This is an example of Meowmeow seeming kind of TMI imo.

There’s a lot of posts Meow makes where it looks like they’re wrangling the gamestate how they wanted with by using their reads, in a way that looks very townie early in the game, but reading their ISO back, it looks kind of like they’re trying to keep the game going the way they want it.

Does anyone have experience with ScumMeow? Are they normally decently town read as scum?

I believe they're a hidden alt

And I saw that post earlier but my initial thought was that it was almost too on the nose to come from scum

[Flavor Leaf]

They feel like the scum leader, tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

And I can see 2 of Merlyn/Aureal/Marcistar specifically following and acting as support to Meow. I don’t necessarily think it’s all 3 of those, could be if RCE is town, but I could see it being like

One of Aureal or Merlyn is the support scum.

One of RCE or Marcistar is the omega scum.

Meow is the ring leader.

And then one of the omega/support groups has 2 scum on the team.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m open to being wrong on a few of my town reads, but i feel pretty good on a lot of them.

Enchant is my weakest town read, but i generally feel really good about reading enchant.

Cakez is an outlier as well, Devil, while they could be pocketing me, i just feel like they’re town who scum’s trying to break off of town reading me