Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[Cook]

PAGETOP

[Cook]

i think the reason nurse's claim is worded as it is is that it doesn't involve modifiers (ascetic) thus explicitly doesn't interface with my or ranger's roles

[Cook]

same time, that's not what Enforcer is.

[camelCasedSnivy]

well either way i think its a scum claim

[Political Clout]

well either way i think its a scum claim

So they're scum no matter how it's looked at?

[DkKoba]

well either way i think its a scum claim

VOTE: camel

[DkKoba]

the way they claimed it is just as plausible they realclaimed, you have no good evidence to suggest they made up a claim, esp when everyone else claimed, 3 scum exist, and they could have made a claim for them based on all the claims existing that sounded believable.

the fact it sounds silly is like >rand town and the way they are treating the claim and played around claiming is consistent with the claim, and their early game was pure

latching onto some random NAI stuff that appears weird is pro scum and the type of stuff I see used as sole logic for pushing a townie

[camelCasedSnivy]

I suppose it is a weird push but I dont think its that far fetched

[Cook]

well either way i think its a scum claim

VOTE: camel

you know what VOTE: camelcasedsnivy

sheeping time

[Political Clout]

This is the way

[camelCasedSnivy]

and with one post the wagon goes faster than ever

[DragonEater70]

Doctor Drew - Eternal UB: Changes to the last town player to die
Random Nurse - Non-Consec Enforcer which basically makes a player Ascetic for the night
Political Clout - Sensitive Tracker which I forgot what Sensitive does
DragonEater70 - Cop that doesn't work after a Town player dies
Theta Alpine - Desperate Treevivor Doomer which makes dead people who investigate opposite to theta treestumped, must use a day after the death
Ranger - Disables modifiers and passive abilities for a day/night cycle and becomes a miller when used
DkKoba - Death Miller which flips as random scum role
Save The Dragons - Hotelier neighborizes 2 people for one night
AniX - JOAT(vig for full day tunnel, delay for not voting at all, track for voting 5 people for one day)
Skygazer - Compulsive Loan Shark, gives votes to players in exchange for being able to act for them next night
Ircher - Neighborizer that loses their vote next day
Bingle - Unable to be changed, may be bp or ascetic each night
Aureal - Pyramid scheme type shit I have 0 fucking clue
Alisae - Arsonist with one ignition and up to 2 doused players
Cook - Modifier which gives a neg util modifier to someone each night
camelCasedSnivy - Baker which gives baked goods 3-shot can be publically eaten to roleblock the next night and may also be passed
KatyKimFanClub - Revealer which reveals a random player's role on death

did i get it right

Thanks, that helps.

Here's what I think of people based on their claims (factoring in both the role's likelihood to exist for town/scum and the way the claimed it):

Scummy claim

- Alisae, Random Nurse, Cook (but why would they even claim that as scum?), Snivy (same as Cook ig),

Townie claim

- Katy, PC, Koba, maaaaybe Aureal and Skygazer
NAI claim - anyone else probably.

Now my reads based on dayplay are roughly:

locktown

- Koba(?), Ranger, Random Nurse, Political Clout

nulltown

- Cook and Bingle (both of them I have not actually taken a critical look at so I need to do this at some point), StD (though I don't think I can ever get more than a "nulltown" or "nullscum" read on him anyway), KatyKim (though I feel he kinda drifted down to null), maaaaybe Alisae

null

- Aureal, Skygazer

nullscum

- Snivy, Anix, Theta (all three I wanted to actually put in null tier rationally but when I do that I feel like I'm explaining away scummy behavior so they can be here for now)

scummy

- Doctor Drew

moderate scum

- Ircher

lockscum

- nobody right now tbh

So if we factor in both claims and dayplay my overall readlist is probably:
{Ranger, Koba, Political Clout}
{Random Nurse}
{Fenrir, KatyKim, Skygazer}
{Bingle, Aureal}
{Cook, Alisae}
{Theta, AniX, Snivy}
{Drew}
{Ircher}

Not willing to eliminate anyone in Skygazer tier and above today, willing to look at Bingle to Alisae tiers if someone makes a case, happy to vote people form Theta down.
And I realized I definitely should take a critical look at the ISOs of the two middle tiers when I have time.

[DragonEater70]

I'll join the Snivy wagon cause I'm sick of this game's biggest wagon having 3 votes.
VOTE: Snivy

[Bingle]

Clarifications needed:

Cook: Negative Utility Granter: What classifies a negative utility role? Is there a list? Are you allowed to adlib them? Are they specifically the Normal Modifier list? There are a lot of modifiers that could be negative utility but could also be positive utility in the right circumstances, and vice versa.

CCS: The bread is given in the day, can you give multiple breads in the same day? If the bread is given, can it then be eaten/given immediately? Seems like the best use of this role is to rule out a scumteam in the late game by making them all eat the bread. If you can give all three bread to one person and then they can give it out later, that prevents scum from killing a late game invest on purpose, although that person couldn't be me because likely my ability to not be given actions prevents me from sending your bread along.

Political Clout: Is your sensitive something you're told about or do you just receive a "no response" for the night you're incapable of acting?

Aureal: Actually full claim. How does recruitment work. If Player A recruits Player B, can Player B recruit Player A. If Player A recruits Player B and Player C, can Player C recruit Player B. If Player A recruits Player B who recruits Player C, can Player C recruit Player A? If a loop of recruits A > B > C > A is possible, does that result in infinite recruits tracking for all of those players or 3 for each of those players? Do you get notified when a player is recruited or when a player accepts recruitment? If you do, are you told who recruited that player? How is recruitment performed (via PM to xyzzy, via specific text in thread, via specific text in neighborhood?) Do you have access to further neighborhoods created by your recruits, either publicly or privately? Can the recruit via Vig be refused? Can the recruit via RB be refused?

[DkKoba]

everytime dragoneater posts it reinforces the fact they are transparently town

[DkKoba]

i would in theory be a good player to have control over the bread as someone who would not be negatively effected if it had a negative effect on my night actions, and a person who, if you assume I am town, will not be killed as easily due to my role providing town valuable info. and if you assume I'm mafia, I can't be nightkilled anyways and thus still am a good leash

however I know my dayplay may be just worth it to kill me early before any scum flip to prevent more precise info lol

[camelCasedSnivy]

i give the baked goods in the night and only one at a time but it is eaten in the day (and has to be publicaly eaten too)

i also presume its passed at night but i can check

[Bingle]

The only role group that looks likely to me based on theming is Day action. CCS, Aureal, AniX, and Theta all have roles that have a significant portion of them happening during the day and are contrived as fuck.

I could maybe see Cook, Aureal, DK being a group, because all three roles seem like someone who had no fucking clue what they were doing decided to make a crazy theme role without any consideration for how it would actually work in a game of mafia.

If Ranger is scum (she's not, but sake of argument) that probably clears PC, because PC is by far our strongest investigation and Ranger is an exact counter to that role. If Ranger is town, they probably aren't from the same group.

Drew isn't from the same submitter as me/Koba/KKFC/Aureal, because of bad interactions with our roles.

The various neighborizers are probably not grouped, as all of them do roughly the same thing, but with vastly different levels of drawback. STD's role is much stronger than Irchers, for example, and there's no reason for either STD or Ircher to exist in a game where Aureal's role can create massive numbers of hoods.

Theta isn't from the same submitter as Ranger, because whether theta can activate on an activated miller is the kind of shit that any mod would immediately see is a rules lawyering nightmare. Cook and Ranger are probably not from the same submitter because of the dichotomy in style. Cook's role is poorly explained and poorly defined, Rangers takes the time to acknowledge that both modifiers and passives are being suppressed.

DK and KKFC are probably not the same group, because of the vast difference in power. KKFC does what DK does, only worse. It's the same role, but one is just strictly better.

Theta and either DK or Ranger are probably from the same submitter if Theta is town. There's no other interaction with Theta's role in the setup. If Theta is scum, she's probably fakeclaiming the disloyal when it's actually loyal or has no modifier.

[Bingle]

i would in theory be a good player to have control over the bread as someone who would not be negatively effected if it had a negative effect on my night actions, and a person who, if you assume I am town, will not be killed as easily due to my role providing town valuable info. and if you assume I'm mafia, I can't be nightkilled anyways and thus still am a good leash

The bread should be given to a townread but not claimed as to who receives it. We want town in control of the bread, and that to allow the forced consumption by three people all in the same night late in the game. If we let someone be publicly known as bread holder, they just get shot and take the bread with them.

[camelCasedSnivy]

I think anix/skygazer/ircher are a group because of their voting abilities

pedit i was planning on just giving it to skygazer but ok

[Bingle]

Koba and AniX are functionally conftown, aorn.

Koba claimed a role whose utility is we actively want to kill them. There's a reason scum don't claim vengeful, and this is that but more.

AniX didn't see the obvious way of utilizing their role as scum that would have vastly benefitted them. It's trivially easy for a player to say they have to leave their vote on one person all day, and that doesn't require that player even being the lim. AniX gave up a free vigshot, and that's a catastrophically dumb choice as scum in role madness.

[Bingle]

I think anix/skygazer/ircher are a group because of their voting abilities

pedit i was planning on just giving it to skygazer but ok

Voting roles, while ass, don't actually matter. SkyG being a votegiver is irrelevant. SkyG being a puppeteer is potentially relevant if scum, but post massclaim it's ridiculously easy to play around. She could target anyone without a night action and be a safe choice.

[Bingle]

Actually, she probably should target someone who claims to have no night action and try to force them to act on someone else, to see if there's a tangible result. Alternatively, we can prove her role by having her target someone who has a night action and leashing it, but fakeclaiming puppeteer is suicide so it's almost certainly a trueclaim.

[camelCasedSnivy]

skygazer and ircher's role both give them abilities for sacrificing their vote

anix's role well, restricts their voting for abilities

[Skygazer]

tbh its probably better to give the bread out to someone else bc bingle is right, i can just give my vote to people whos reads align with mine that don't have night actions whereas a roleblock can be way more useful in other ways