Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[Ranger]

could you remove my compulsive modifier so i can play vanilla w/o giving my vote away or redirecting actions

Temporarily? Yes. I remove it for that night and the following day. So, N1+D2; N2+D3; etc.

[Ranger]

oh wow
a role i did not consider the possibility of

Yeah, that's why I wanted to wait.

I figured scum wouldn't consider my role.

[Ranger]

If anything it conflicts more with mine. I'm not sure which of ours would take precedence: your removal of the modifier preventing my role change or my role preventing my role from being changed, and I'm intrigued by the fact that didn't occur to you.

Well, why would I ask the mod about removing a bulletproof townie's bulletproof? I believe you're town. My targeting you would never be. For academic interest I could ask. It's never an action I'd take.

[Ranger]

how do you think im in the same group though

How many roles do you suppose have a themed name? You're a Baker, who bakes goods. Cook's a Modifier, who modifies players. And I? Am a Passifizer, who temporarily disables passives and modifiers.

[Doctor Drew]

actually its not a bad case, its a terrible case.

Thanks for the input, I will run all my cases by you next time.

idk but like great players will take someone seemingly being disingenuous about them, clarify what they think is being disingenuous, and then see if with clarification how they react, instead of assumptions that everyone will think exactly like u lol

I am not a great player like you, can you elaborate? I explained exactly what I thought was disingenuous....

Also can you show this post to Ranger? All she did was call me disingenuous with no explanation besides quoting posts of mine.

like holy shit theta and ranger are 2 of the most obvious town slots in the game and theyre actually at threat of being eliminated somehow potentially

i get why the scumreads on those slots, but it still doesnt make it any less tiring

I am the only person casing Ranger or even really scum reads her, why so scared of her elim? Or are you just talking a big game and being disingenuous(word of the game btw), and know I have spoke some truths about her play here.

But I am just lowly mislim bait, can such a great Mafia player such as you please translate to a Mafia idiot like myself?

[Bingle]

I don't understand how Koba flipping as a random scum role is an investigative unless the person with the role trueclaimed it. We aren't even going to know if the role is really his or not unless someone else flips as the same role are we?

The best lies are always based around truths. This early into the game, scum very likely didn't have a way to reliably tell what the game was going to look like, nor to craft a good wholesale fakeclaim, let alone four. Further, a LARGE number of the roles claimed so far are confirmable. For example, if theta's role is scum (likely loyal instead of desperate) theta will be outed should koba flip as theta's role. If skyg's role is scum they'll be outed. If Alisae's role is scum, they'll be outed. That's not comprehensive, either. That's just roles that will become fairly immediately obvious if they aren't as described, and therefore are likely mostly trueclaims.

Even if a role like Strongman Janitor flips, it vastly narrows down the pool.

Burden of proficiency on my skill as a reviewer here, but Koba's role balances as a guaranteed scum flip, and more to the point we should use it that way.

[Bingle]

Well, why would I ask the mod about removing a bulletproof townie's bulletproof? I believe you're town. My targeting you would never be. For academic interest I could ask. It's never an action I'd take.

My bulletproof is active, so it'd presumably not be counted as a modifier. My inability to have my role changed or to be granted actions is passive, and thus presumably would.

Also interesting, Alisae's claim probably sidesteps my protection, so if I die at night it's probably eir fault.

[DkKoba]

I don't understand how Koba flipping as a random scum role is an investigative unless the person with the role trueclaimed it. We aren't even going to know if the role is really his or not unless someone else flips as the same role are we?

The best lies are always based around truths. This early into the game, scum very likely didn't have a way to reliably tell what the game was going to look like, nor to craft a good wholesale fakeclaim, let alone four. Further, a LARGE number of the roles claimed so far are confirmable. For example, if theta's role is scum (likely loyal instead of desperate) theta will be outed should koba flip as theta's role. If skyg's role is scum they'll be outed. If Alisae's role is scum, they'll be outed. That's not comprehensive, either. That's just roles that will become fairly immediately obvious if they aren't as described, and therefore are likely mostly trueclaims.

Even if a role like Strongman Janitor flips, it vastly narrows down the pool.

Burden of proficiency on my skill as a reviewer here, but Koba's role balances as a guaranteed scum flip, and more to the point we should use it that way.

id rather be vigged if anything, if not ill take a gracious exit d2.

im most useful after a flip

[Ranger]

they should have claimed after everyone else with that in mind but
too late for that

You don't say.

Almost like I knew this and deliberately held off for this very reason.

At this stage, I think it's fine. I wouldn't be claiming otherwise. I believe the roles from my listmod have claimed. I believe there's potentially scum caught in their claims, due to mine. It's possible more scum would've been found had I waited; it's possible scum can use my claim to craft better fakeclaims. Still,

most

of the game had claimed, and I felt revealing now was acceptable.

[Bingle]

id rather be vigged if anything, if not ill take a gracious exit d2.

im most useful after a flip

I'm undecided if limming you is correct (we're in the middle of massclaim) but given the claims we have, it is the mechanically optimal play.

Mechanically optimal and best for town are not always the same thing.

I'd honestly expect your claim to come from Cakez over Tbone, btw.

[Bingle]

You don't say.

Pretty sure theta was talking about DK there.

[DkKoba]

id rather be vigged if anything, if not ill take a gracious exit d2.

im most useful after a flip

I'm undecided if limming you is correct (we're in the middle of massclaim) but given the claims we have, it is the mechanically optimal play.

Mechanically optimal and best for town are not always the same thing.

I'd honestly expect your claim to come from Cakez over Tbone, btw.

having my slot killed d2 is not much different than d1, just a more informed decision tbh

makes it so that scum have to survive longer not knowing if they might be caught right after i flip and thus produce more associatives (red checks start being most effective socially halfway thru day 2 IMO, daystart red checks kill good spew.)

[Ranger]

This isn't a bad case

Depends. It sure is a disingenuous case in part because Doctor Drew is using that word apparently not knowing what it means. If I thought it contained anything worth commenting on, I'd do so. The entire thing is disingenuous tho.

[Skygazer]

i disingenuously know what disgenuous means

[DkKoba]

This isn't a bad case

Depends. It sure is a disingenuous case in part because Doctor Drew is using that word apparently not knowing what it means. If I thought it contained anything worth commenting on, I'd do so. The entire thing is disingenuous tho.

do the clarifications that drew put forth in the list at least change ur perspective on anything and help adjust your reasoning, and change any conclusions?

[Doctor Drew]

This isn't a bad case

Depends. It sure is a disingenuous case in part because Doctor Drew is using that word apparently not knowing what it means. If I thought it contained anything worth commenting on, I'd do so. The entire thing is disingenuous tho.

I mean, you haven't commented on anything I said, so I wouldn't expect anything less.

And do you know what it means? You literally haven't explained the posts you linked to and why they are disingenuous.

You can't just say words and expect everyone to know what you mean.

[Doctor Drew]

This isn't a bad case

Depends. It sure is a disingenuous case in part because Doctor Drew is using that word apparently not knowing what it means. If I thought it contained anything worth commenting on, I'd do so. The entire thing is disingenuous tho.

I mean, you haven't commented on anything I said, so I wouldn't expect anything less.

And do you know what it means? You literally haven't explained the posts you linked to and why they are disingenuous.

You can't just say words and expect everyone to know what you mean.

*Meant to be say make posts and expect everyone

[Ranger]

Did Ranger ever fullclaim?

Not yet. Paraphrasing from a phone is painful. I'd prefer to wait until I have a computer and the time.

I’ll at least share the basic though.
I remove all passives and modifiers from my target. As I said: a

direct

counter to Cook's role, as well as a role which would bypass the limitations on Theta Alpine's role. All it’d take for Theta Alpine to treestump town is my removal of her modifier.

Thus my skepticism of both.

As I said, I’ll fullclaim when I’ve the ability to properly paraphrase.

To give the full claim. I'm a passifizer. During nights, I can target a player. All passives + modifiers stop functioning until next night. If I use it, I investigate as scum that night.

Mod clarification:
To benefit from my role, the player needs to be able to act already. A 1x cop who used their shot on a previous night, despite having the 1x modifier disabled by me, wouldn't be able to successfully submit a cop action.
My targets aren't informed of my success.
Scum chat/kills, and day votes/talking, aren't impacted.
If I used my action and flipped, I wouldn't be considered a miller posthumously.

[camelCasedSnivy]

who hasnt claimed then other than wazza's slot and nurse

[Ranger]

do the clarifications that drew put forth in the list at least change ur perspective on anything and help adjust your reasoning, and change any conclusions?

Nothing Doctor Drew's posted has changed any conclusion I've made about him and what he's posted.

[Doctor Drew]

do the clarifications that drew put forth in the list at least change ur perspective on anything and help adjust your reasoning, and change any conclusions?

Nothing Doctor Drew's posted has changed any conclusion I've made about him and what he's posted.

So is this RIP to your reads lists we get every game?

What's the point of it if you are now all of a sudden super Saiyan tunnelly Ranger?

This is the true tragedy about all this.

Sorry Dragoneater, there is no more list for you to try to top.

[DkKoba]

This isn't a bad case

Depends. It sure is a disingenuous case in part because Doctor Drew is using that word apparently not knowing what it means. If I thought it contained anything worth commenting on, I'd do so. The entire thing is disingenuous tho.

I mean, you haven't commented on anything I said, so I wouldn't expect anything less.

And do you know what it means? You literally haven't explained the posts you linked to and why they are disingenuous.

You can't just say words and expect everyone to know what you mean.

i read it and its very disingenuous of ranger's POV

[Doctor Drew]

This isn't a bad case

Depends. It sure is a disingenuous case in part because Doctor Drew is using that word apparently not knowing what it means. If I thought it contained anything worth commenting on, I'd do so. The entire thing is disingenuous tho.

I mean, you haven't commented on anything I said, so I wouldn't expect anything less.

And do you know what it means? You literally haven't explained the posts you linked to and why they are disingenuous.

You can't just say words and expect everyone to know what you mean.

i read it and its very disingenuous of ranger's POV

What if her POV is from scum?

I have seen townRanger quite a bit, I wasn't joking when I said it seems like she is doing her best scumTitus impression......she is being stubborn, not listening to reason, and hate to say it again lol...... completely disingenuous.

This isn't town Ranger.

[DkKoba]

"what if"

imma stop u right there

u forgot the "what if its town"

[DkKoba]

if i lookup a town ranger game and it looks similar to this one i will clamp my vote on you for the rest of the game or until your slot is dead, not that i thought ur slot was towny b4 this but I also think that when u start lying about meta like that to make a point its not from a town POV