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Post Post #1175 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:53 pm

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are you suggesting a ranger push, drew
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Post Post #1176 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:58 pm

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In post 1174, Doctor Drew wrote:Where is the trolling and sly humor?
Here.
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Post Post #1177 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:58 pm

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In post 1175, Cook wrote: are you suggesting a ranger push, drew
I am.

I just know she likes to get a bit cheeky as town, she isn't dumb by any stretch......but struggle to find the towny angle she has going on here.

VOTE: Ranger

But we should talk about this more in the PT Cook.
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Post Post #1178 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:02 pm

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In post 1176, Ranger wrote:
In post 1174, Doctor Drew wrote:Where is the trolling and sly humor?
Here.
I didn't expect open wolfing such as this from you tbh
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Post Post #1179 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:02 pm

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In post 1177, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1175, Cook wrote: are you suggesting a ranger push, drew
I am.

I just know she likes to get a bit cheeky as town, she isn't dumb by any stretch......but struggle to find the towny angle she has going on here.

VOTE: Ranger

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Post Post #1180 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:07 pm

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In post 1179, Cook wrote:
In post 1177, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1175, Cook wrote: are you suggesting a ranger push, drew
I am.

I just know she likes to get a bit cheeky as town, she isn't dumb by any stretch......but struggle to find the towny angle she has going on here.

VOTE: Ranger

But we should talk about this more in the PT Cook.
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Post Post #1181 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:09 pm

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yeah i would not expect to see any prelinked neighbors or such
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Post Post #1182 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:10 pm

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I am happy to fully claim. I'd prefer not to do it if there is any interest in killing me to reveal game elements though, as to lock people into their roles BEFORE my game elements get revealed.

If there is no interest in this, I'll fullclaim gladly though.
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Post Post #1183 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:11 pm

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votecount 1.07
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3 players voting for Doctor Drew (Ranger, DkKoba, Random Nurse)
1 player voting for DkKoba (Ircher)
2 players voting for Bingle (Save The Dragons, camelCasedSnivy)
1 player voting for Random Nurse (KatyKimFanClub)
1 player voting for AniX (Alisae)
1 player voting for Alisae (Aureal)
1 player voting for camelCasedSnivy (Bingle)
1 player voting for Ircher (DragonEater70)
1 player voting for Theta Alpine (Cook)
1 player voting for DragonEater70 (AniX)
1 player voting for Ranger (Doctor Drew)

3 players not voting (JasonWazza, Theta Alpine, Skygazer)

with 17 votes, it takes 9 to eliminate.

mod notes: prodding Random Nurse.
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Post Post #1184 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:17 pm

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pre game neighborizer trust
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Post Post #1185 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:21 pm

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In post 1182, AniX wrote: I am happy to fully claim. I'd prefer not to do it if there is any interest in killing me to reveal game elements though, as to lock people into their roles BEFORE my game elements get revealed.

If there is no interest in this, I'll fullclaim gladly though.
if rangers guess is correct then scum might have easy access to fake claims from the listmods in the unused town roles that were made

but we do not know that for sure so
i will let other people discuss
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Post Post #1186 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:58 pm

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Does deathstumpizer target and if you used it at night could you be tracked?
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Post Post #1187 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:02 pm

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In post 1165, Ranger wrote: It occurs to me only now I've made a mistake in promoting massclaim; I'm beginning to suspect the scum have access to a list of all the roles not used as fakeclaims. I don't think the listmods submitted roles providing nearly no benefit to scum as exclusively the pool of scum roles. The scum roles I'd expect would be roles providing tangible benefit to scum, yet not explicitly only scum. (Think roleblocker, rolecop. Arson fits this as an example. Most claims don't.)
No?

The case you're describing (where scum has a massive amount of extra setup information to the tune of 7 potential roles) actually gives us more incentive to claim. Scum would be able to guess the rough shape of the opposing forces from the unused roles, but we would be playing largely in the dark. Doing this forces them to commit to fakeclaims before their knowledge base becomes even larger than it already is in that case.

The downside is almost certainly in the potential for redirection style roles if it exists, where our investigations and vigs can be sent to twiddle their thumbs in uselessness and shame.
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Post Post #1188 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:03 pm

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In post 1182, AniX wrote: If there is no interest in this, I'll fullclaim gladly though.
It seems like a very not a good idea to me.
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Post Post #1189 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:04 pm

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Drew, how do you feel about me saying you feel like the fire game but with less oomph?
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Post Post #1190 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:05 pm

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In post 1178, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1176, Ranger wrote:
In post 1174, Doctor Drew wrote:Where is the trolling and sly humor?
Here.
I didn't expect open wolfing such as this from you tbh
Funny, I didn't expect you to lie about my posts, tbh.
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Post Post #1191 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:07 pm

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i would assume i can be tracked yeah

though
my ability does have a time component to when it can be used so it might not actually be playing by normal phase rules

as in it might resolve immediately on being sent even if i send it at night
rather then being resolved at day start if i use it at night


hmmm maybe i should ask the mod then
that might actually prevent me from being redirected or such as well
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Post Post #1192 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:08 pm

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though desperate in this situation only becomes an investigative ability if we have a janitor so
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Post Post #1193 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:18 pm

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or i guess uh
i can target koba if they get limmed if we had any doubts there about alignment
i currently do not suspect that will be needed though
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Post Post #1194 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:24 pm

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yeah koba is pretty much town in my book
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Post Post #1195 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:26 pm

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In post 1187, Bingle wrote:
In post 1165, Ranger wrote: It occurs to me only now I've made a mistake in promoting massclaim; I'm beginning to suspect the scum have access to a list of all the roles not used as fakeclaims. I don't think the listmods submitted roles providing nearly no benefit to scum as exclusively the pool of scum roles. The scum roles I'd expect would be roles providing tangible benefit to scum, yet not explicitly only scum. (Think roleblocker, rolecop. Arson fits this as an example. Most claims don't.)
No?

The case you're describing (where scum has a massive amount of extra setup information to the tune of 7 potential roles) actually gives us more incentive to claim. Scum would be able to guess the rough shape of the opposing forces from the unused roles, but we would be playing largely in the dark. Doing this forces them to commit to fakeclaims before their knowledge base becomes even larger than it already is in that case.

The downside is almost certainly in the potential for redirection style roles if it exists, where our investigations and vigs can be sent to twiddle their thumbs in uselessness and shame.
I also doubt we were going to win a setup where scum have a list of possible town roles.
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Post Post #1196 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:32 pm

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typically you need a counterbalancing thing for that
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Post Post #1197 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:34 pm

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maybe that factor's in the unclaimed roles
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Post Post #1198 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:40 pm

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In post 1016, DragonEater70 wrote: btw I have yet to form a read on Nurse, I saw they made some catchup posts earlier. I will look at them some time later today.
cya all later.
Just quoting this post so I know where I need to start my catchup from as I take a deep dive into some ISOs
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Post Post #1199 (ISO) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:59 pm

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have fun
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