In post 467, Doctor Drew wrote:
Will I put this knowledge of their scum and town game to good use? Probably not!
no im crazy hard to read and my range is infinite.
u can be town for being honest tho
You town bro?
Pre Edit: Why Jason though? They seem to have gone bye bye
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
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In post 148, Alisae wrote:
Voting powers restricted like skygazers are really bad to give to mafia. I would probs go out of my way to say it’s detrimental.
That’s probably not mafia?
Ali, how much of this is Stellaris? Also, how much faith would you put in this?
In post 324, DkKoba wrote:
We can be reasonably sure that at *most* only 1 person Claiming neg utility is a mafia member at most if less than 5 and if 5 or more that means we should kill within that pool.
The premise here seems to be that you think only one of the submitters would submit neg utility roles. Do you have anything to support this theory? Because I would actually expect an average of 1 negative utility role from each submitter and would thus expect a large number of town roles with at least some negative utility involved.
nah still pretty sure tbone is like the only one who would submit several
You'd have a point if there was like 2 but there's like 4+
What I'm saying is I'd vaguely expect the average number of negative utility submissions among town submissions to be 1. We're looking at a setup of 17/24 submissions, which means that probably 2-3 scum submissions were dropped and 4-5 town submissions were dropped. So presumably we have 12OR13/18 town roles in play. That leaves us with a mathematical model of (1 * 6 negative utility roles) * (2/3) individual role inclusion, assuming that town can accurately judge whether their role is ACTUALLY negative utility and there aren't false negatives or false positives. That gives me a rough expectation of 4 negative utility town roles actually existing, with significant room for that number to be larger or smaller, based on how 6 different individuals approached balance. Then you get into roles like mine which probably aren't really negative utility but rather anti snowball roles, and I have very little faith in a lim in/out of negative utility claims strat.
well im combining math with what i know about the listmods, having had played a setup by each of them at least once. actually i forgot sircakez but i dont think he is into negative utility so that is irrelevant.
this is a fun game where we can gleam who submitted who as part of our reading process and thats likely why we were told the split of who submitted how many.
In post 148, Alisae wrote:
Voting powers restricted like skygazers are really bad to give to mafia. I would probs go out of my way to say it’s detrimental.
That’s probably not mafia?
Ali, how much of this is Stellaris? Also, how much faith would you put in this?
Stellaris is ancient history to me
I just think if you look the vote at a fundamental level and what making someone a doublevoter does, what taking away someone's vote does, how all of these can impact a game.
Seems like a terrible ability to give to mafia.
In post 467, Doctor Drew wrote:
Will I put this knowledge of their scum and town game to good use? Probably not!
no im crazy hard to read and my range is infinite.
u can be town for being honest tho
You town bro?
Pre Edit: Why Jason though? They seem to have gone bye bye
ya
tbh when i am town i play town and when i am mafia i play mafia
its an educated guess
Yes I certainly witnessed the open wolfing lol
Pre Edit: I would love for the Whiskey Pocket to be scum one day......or at least all members lol.
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
In post 482, Alisae wrote:
Seems like a terrible ability to give to mafia.
:shrugs:
I'm pretty well established in my stance on vote manipulation roles in general, but I think you're both reading too much and not enough into what skygazer has said about their role. I agree with the end result though, so I can't be assed to bother with that.
In post 477, DkKoba wrote:
well im combining math with what i know about the listmods, having had played a setup by each of them at least once. actually i forgot sircakez but i dont think he is into negative utility so that is irrelevant.
I haven't actually gotten around to doing mod meta on the Lmods, although given MD experiences and what I remember of Cakez/Penguin playstyles I would say PP SS TBone are all at least moderately likely to make neg utility roles. I also don't think a 1:1 comparison to setups can be drawn here, since making a 1:3 pool that is roughly balanced is V different than an actual setup. And the most reasonable way to accomplish the former is to make the individual roles more neutrally balanced, which combining pro and antitown effects would do well. I also expect the scum roles will by and large sound very towny.
So far all I've seen is popins and easy takes. They seem relaxed, but I don't think STD being relaxed in the main thread is particularly hard for him to fake and all of his takes just feel like they're incredibly safe. Do you disagree?
Like, their posting is performative as shit. But anyone who has ever talked to AniX could tell you that. For example: (Was gonna link a thread that I now think is in the SPeezy cause I can't find it easily on this account) that time when they posted like 400 paragraphs as a protest against popularity contests.
Saying AniX is scummy here is like the easiest stance you could possibly take.