Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[AniX]

Yeah, ok, two consecutive "Let me try to give you some tips on how to play the game better" but also they are the most generic handholding a newbie stuff imaginable, this is DEFINITELY a post restriction.

What the hell? Do you actually think there will be a role that forces someone to adopt a certain attitude in posting? How can that even be enforced?

By the moderator's subjective judgment? It is absolutely enforceable. My role has a mod's discretion portion too, although it is whether I DIDN'T say something (although that restriction doesn't really HURT hurt me, just limits my ability for the night) rather than said it, but I know for a fact the mod is sitting there judging whether certain subjective post content is fulfilled or not for at least one role.

[DkKoba]

Anix, I'd appreciate you address the point I made about expanding on your read on Dragoneater, as if you believe it's a slam dunk thing that they are scummy for the role thing, then it should go without question you can look at the rest of their play and see how that looks from a scum pov, or if it doesn't match up. Deflecting doesn't work on me, I'm stubborn ;P

[camelCasedSnivy]

why do you all get interesting roles

the scum roles are so boring

[Bingle]

Ranger
AniX
Skygazer
Cook
JasonWazza
DragonEater70
JasonWazza
DkKoba
Save The Dragons

These are my reads so far. If your name isn't present it means you didn't leave an impression.

I am actually scumreading STD.

VOTE: STD

[Cook]

why do you all get interesting roles

the scum roles are so boring

???

somehow this is +town

[camelCasedSnivy]

im not sure why anix is being scumread can some1 explain

[camelCasedSnivy]

why do you all get interesting roles

the scum roles are so boring

???

somehow this is +town

what by joking that I'm scum?

[Bingle]

the main takeaway from the coffee tell is the premise is that people use the fact that "they havent drinken coffee yet" to excuse poor posting as scum. ergo i was making a joke that you were making an excuse as to why your play may be weaker, ergo less accurate. Like, sorta like "sorry I made that bad post/bad push, i wasn't 100% at the time". hard to explain tbh its a whole vibe

@DragonEater: Coffee tell.

[Cook]

why do you all get interesting roles

the scum roles are so boring

???

somehow this is +town

what by joking that I'm scum?

scum doesn’t joke about being scum unless they can afford it

[AniX]

Anix, I'd appreciate you address the point I made about expanding on your read on Dragoneater, as if you believe it's a slam dunk thing that they are scummy for the role thing, then it should go without question you can look at the rest of their play and see how that looks from a scum pov, or if it doesn't match up. Deflecting doesn't work on me, I'm stubborn ;P

I disagree very strongly with the philosophy that posts on day 1 that are basically all shades of "here are my first impressions" are of any value whatsoever in guaranteeing someone is town or not. The rest of their play is mostly empty calorie filler that has no alignment content. I could absolutely see scum posting all the things he has posted, especially if he has some sort of goofy ability (like we all seem to) that need a bit of time to figure out how to try to weave it in without people noticing.

[Bingle]

im not sure why anix is being scumread can some1 explain

AniX is very obvtown, so DK is scumreading them for superficial posting because DK is jealous that someone else is being level 0 with their reads and yet is town.

[camelCasedSnivy]

ok then cook

im not sure about anix i just don't think they're scum

dkkoba could be scum but prolly not

ranger is fine

and idk about literally anyone

[camelCasedSnivy]

im not sure why anix is being scumread can some1 explain

AniX is very obvtown, so DK is scumreading them for superficial posting because DK is jealous that someone else is being level 0 with their reads and yet is town.

how is anix obvtown either

[Bingle]

scum doesn’t joke about being scum unless they can afford it

Good thing I've been saving up all of these otter bucks to redeem with zora... Goddammit!

[AniX]

A game with a massive amount of post restrictions/post dependent roles changes shifts the "this is scumposting/this is townposting" metric because there are going to be A LOT of people posting in a stilted or unnatural way.

[Cook]

what if there isn’t any post restrictions

[camelCasedSnivy]

anix do you think that acting like a newbie is an ENFORCEABLE post restriction?

[AniX]

I have knowledge of at least 1 with the scum team basically out here confessing by making it seem they have one if there isn't at least more.

anix do you think that acting like a newbie is an ENFORCEABLE post restriction?

Not acting like a newbie, acting like EVERYONE ELSE is a newbie. Or something that resembles that. It could be that the restriction is less specific and DkKoba has interpreted it that way/felt their best path to adhere to that restriction is that way.

[Skygazer]

this is my first game btw

[Skygazer]

agree that anix is town

[camelCasedSnivy]

and you think koba wouldnt admit that when we were outing neg utils?

[AniX]

I've played a lot of Blood on the Clocktower recently, which is neither here nor there except there are a lot of roles that are VERY strict and VERY subjective about what you can say and what you can do and it doesn't really cause as many problems as you would think to enforce these subjective judgments of a mod.

Obviously Mafia is not BotC but the principle of "Can a game mod effectively enforce a subjective post restriction in a social deduction game" holds.

[Cook]

i don’t think the listmods have THAT much malice in their hearts to force annoying post restrictions on people

[Bingle]

how is anix obvtown either

First, we ignore literally every mechpost, because mechposts have nothing to do with alignment, but rather mechanical intelligence, and mechanical intelligence is not AI. Second, we realize that AniX comes from a time when the Earth had yet to cool and the atmosphere was still mostly sulfur, and so their posting also needs to be viewed through that lens where post restrictions and mechsolves are common place and that's just how town is supposed to approach the game. Third, we ask ourselves "Does scum really fake a readslist with two players who haven't posted surrounding a player who has if they're tryharding". Fourth we realize that if we look tryhard up in the dictionary there's a picture of AniX staring at a picture of Taylor Swift.

Ani is crazy performative here, but that's more because it's Ani than any actually alignment indicative thing and Koba pushing the slot as surface level is actually skeevy as fuck.

[AniX]

and you think koba wouldnt admit that when we were outing neg utils?

The first thing I'd write if I was writing a goofy post restriction is "You can't talk about having a goofy post restriction". That would defeat the entire purpose of the trade-off if you could go "I have a post restriction. Interpret everything I say through the lens of me having a post restriction"