Micro 1088: Carbon 14 - Game Over

[sheepsaysmeep]

PC do u have a completed scumgame

[Political Clout]

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[Random Nurse]

So, trying to get more into this game. What is the most optimal way to approach this game?

It doesn't help that this game has basically ground to a screeching halt.

Is it better to do a no-lim?

Sheep, you're not Scum this game are you?

[Dunnstral]

Meta Data

Just a heads-up: I typically struggle on Day 1 due to not having anything tangible to work with.

I work as a strictly nocturnal night nurse, so am asleep during the day. I also work 60-72 hours each week

As Town I am free to be aggressive because I legitimately don't know who is what, and I don't care about self-preservation.

As Scum I struggle to emulate the above play and frequently try to force myself to forget my role.

As Town I work best by consistent extreme engagement to generate content: it's extremely easy to do as Town and a chore for me to do as Scum because I already have insider knowledge and I'm a terrible liar. As Town it's extremely easy for me to make free-flowing-thought posts on a dime.

I don't quickhammers and appreciate intent to hammer being made first. At this point on I don't quickhammer and instead will announce intent to claim.

I prefer NOT to play using readslists due to my severe time constraints. It's easier for me to tell you how I feel about a player, and as Town if you ask me I should be able to tell you fairly soon how I honestly feel about them. If it takes awhile then I'm possibly Scum.

On Day 1 expect me to be playing based solely on gut reads and gut vibes: I have no tangible evidence to work with.

I'm making it a habit to post this post first at the start of each game, and then start reading.

I am confused as to the point of this post

[Dunnstral]

But bullet points 3 to 5 don't look like your play this game just through your own admission

[Random Nurse]

But bullet points 3 to 5 don't look like your play this game just through your own admission

It's Day 1 and it's only page 3.

[Dunnstral]

Yeah but you said you use "consistent extreme engagement" and that it is easy to do as town.

[Dunnstral]

consistent extreme engagement to generate content, in fact

[Random Nurse]

Yeah but you said you use "consistent extreme engagement" and that it is easy to do as town.

consistent extreme engagement to generate content, in fact

While true, I guess I should clarify that that's not going to happen until the game gets going. We're still in RVS. Also I'm not always going to be able to do extreme engagement to generate content: it is my strength when I can get into it.

[Dunnstral]

Someone should pour gasoline before this game dies
VOTE: PC
Real vote.

VOTE: PC realer vote!


I've been thinking about this too we can instead of hypoclaim claim who we are going to check d1 before the hammer. I think it would be beneficial to do this because it let's us know who everyone is actually suspicious of, who the 2 pr's would have been on if one of them flips, the objection i see is that what if the pr's target someone who is town and the pr's end up murdered. I think we can get around this by randomly assigning who checks who like from the playerlist the person above checks the person below them or something. and keep in mind we can say we are doing this but at the end of the day the person who has the role can do whatever they want. I think if they are murdered in that way we can be more honest in our inspection of who we are questioning.

so I could say like I am going to peak at random nurse tonight. I think this is a great idea. what you guys think?

I don't like this, we can list suspicion without announcing we are also going to check that person.

[ceejayvinoya]

early reads while nothing is happening.

Dunn probably town
sheep trying to move game forward could be town

dunno what to do about pc self vote

I guess heip unvoting pc there could be townie?

I guess vote stays on imag for now

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.1

Political Clout (2) - sheepsaysmeep, Political Clout
Imaginality (1) - ceejayvinoya
Random Nurse (1) - Dunnstral

Not voting (3) - Random Nurse, imaginality, heipizhu4

(expired on 2023-07-26 17:43:00) remain until day end

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority.

[heipizhu4]

My current read:

• sheep: townlean, the MVP of trying to move game forward here
  
• PC: townlean? Not pretty sure about 39, it could be interpreted as a town using some sence of humor to try to push the game out of rvs and risking themselves at E-1 isn't a usual scum behavior after all.
  
• Dunn: townlean, much townier than the other players here looking at iso.
  
• ceej: Null, Only 1 rvs post and a reading list, so null for now
  
• imagine: slight townlean, his iso mainly consists of maths jobs, so thanks for the work!
  
• random nurse: Null? Just checked his previous game here: viewtopic.php?sid=&f=83&t=91156&user_select%5B%5D=37068
  So, most of the self-meta is correct? And I just can't get it why to wall this stuff up lol. Or is this part of the townie guide wiki page that tells you to 'tell the town your strength and weakness'?

[imaginality]

VOTE: PC

I disagree with heip (though I do townread heip) - I don't think town are likely to risk self voting to put themselves at E-1 on D1 of a micro.

Also the proposed strategy of all claiming role and target D1 is a great way to ensure we never get a guilty and if scum don't happen to be targeted by the right type, then the NK could seriously mislead us D2.

[Random Nurse]

My current read:

• sheep: townlean, the MVP of trying to move game forward here
  
• PC: townlean? Not pretty sure about 39, it could be interpreted as a town using some sence of humor to try to push the game out of rvs and risking themselves at E-1 isn't a usual scum behavior after all.
  
• Dunn: townlean, much townier than the other players here looking at iso.
  
• ceej: Null, Only 1 rvs post and a reading list, so null for now
  
• imagine: slight townlean, his iso mainly consists of maths jobs, so thanks for the work!
  
• random nurse: Null? Just checked his previous game here: viewtopic.php?sid=&f=83&t=91156&user_select%5B%5D=37068
  So, most of the self-meta is correct? And I just can't get it why to wall this stuff up lol. Or is this part of the townie guide wiki page that tells you to 'tell the town your strength and weakness'?

I more or less get tired of having to explain myself and how I play.

So, now each game start I post a list I'll keep updating to help spare myself unwanted repeat questions.

[Political Clout]

VOTE: PC

I disagree with heip (though I do townread heip) - I don't think town are likely to risk self voting to put themselves at E-1 on D1 of a micro.

Also the proposed strategy of all claiming role and target D1 is a great way to ensure we never get a guilty and if scum don't happen to be targeted by the right type, then the NK could seriously mislead us D2.

i deliberately didn't say I was at -1 because I wanted to see what people would say and do, why didn't you?

and secondly it's a proposed strategy you can dislike it and it doesn't mean you have to follow it if you think not claiming a target is better then that's fine simply don't claim a target? it feels like a crazy nitpick to me coupled with the fact that you saying it makes me think it's a reason for voting me. Like hey this part of your strategy doesn't make sense but like you don't have to use that part of the strategy.

VOTE: imaginality

I'm am claiming cop and will be checking someone tonight.

[imaginality]

It seems too risky to vote yourself to E-1.
It's less risky if you're scum and know your buddy won't quickhammer you.

You claiming cop just makes me all the more sure you are scum because a cop voting themselves to E-1 would be doubly daft.

Unlike other bad mech plans I've seen in various games your one smelled scum-motivated to me. Like not considering the D2 wifom risks at all. I think town aligned players would more likely be alert for that.

Your response to my vote seems jumpy and omgussy, my vote stays.

[Political Clout]

It seems too risky to vote yourself to E-1.
It's less risky if you're scum and know your buddy won't quickhammer you.

You claiming cop just makes me all the more sure you are scum because a cop voting themselves to E-1 would be doubly daft.

Unlike other bad mech plans I've seen in various games your one smelled scum-motivated to me. Like not considering the D2 wifom risks at all. I think town aligned players would more likely be alert for that.

Your response to my vote seems jumpy and omgussy, my vote stays.

is that your whole read? it's to risky to place yourself at -1? please regale me of all the times you were in a micro and someone hammered during rvs. saying it's less risky because one person won't hammer me doesn't even approach being a good argument. Because your argument hinges on the antecedent of all micros and quickhammering if you're right that it happens then as scum I shouldn't ever do that because as scum I only know one person won't hammer me it doesn't make it less risky especially if all the quickhammers that happened in all micros are done by town or if they are done by scum. so as soon as you get that data please let me know. Your reasoning is terrible.

I don't know if you're reading my strategy or not but it seems like you're operating on the fact that you haven't read it if so that's okay. I point out what I think the most optimal thing to do this game and then acted on it, or are you like ignoring it completely?

what are the d2 wifom risks? because I think you are using the absolutely worst outcome of my strategy and using that to argue against it. like you won't accept anything short of a perfect strategy that will let you 100% win in a social deduction game. I already said we didn't have to say who we are targeting, but that probably won't be good enough for you either.

I think my self vote did exactly what I wanted it to. find scum. you revealed yourself with your terrible argument about what town and scum would absolutely do in every single universe that exists and because town and scum would only do that I am scum.

[sheepsaysmeep]

interesting

[sheepsaysmeep]

I think PC is within town meta.

in the newbie game I played with him he was reallyyyy aggressive and confrontational, and I correctly townread him for the way . I was actually going to call the imaginality/pc thing w/w lol but I thought more and PC just seems town so nvm

[sheepsaysmeep]

that is not a finished post

I correctly townread him that game for the way he turned his interactions Into a really big thing. each time someone said something to him he like amplified it with a bunch of stuff in response.

the game he linked feels surprisingly different; I feel lucky that he seems so polarized lol. that game is like, way more mellow and agreeable and with broad views on all the players rather than honing in on people

[sheepsaysmeep]

I think dunn is towny and nurse is scummy. I just think his point about nurse was really good lol. nurse seems to have no inkling of desire to move the game forward with the aggression of his town game, even if it's just rvs like I'd expect some instinctive trying to do things

[sheepsaysmeep]

heipizhu is like... towny, but weirdly townier than the newbie game lmfao to where im slightly scared he might be being coached.

like as town in his newbie game he kept giving reads that it was really difficult to townread him for as hard as I tried.... but post 62 is just a towny list of reads. lmfao

above null I guess

[sheepsaysmeep]

VOTE: nurse

[sheepsaysmeep]

hey PC

I remember in the newbie game you started by asking a looooooooot of questions. like in response to each post a list of like 10 questions

can you explain why you've stopped doing that? it bothers me a little