In post 7649, Black wrote:
I almost kinda hope it happens. FL doesn't deserve this win if he's town. If town does manage to win it'll be despite FL, and it'll be on the backs of players who are trying to solve through his giant cloud of bullshit
This is just not cool. Maybe I'm jaded from years of experience and bad tunnels but this is far from the worst that I have seen and feels like a major AtE and discredit.
With FL's results, the simplest conclusion (but maybe not the correct one) is that you are scum. Either two people are scum or one is. One he's butted heads with and feels like the support has fallen out form underneath him. Wheme has been Flavor's right hand man. Chandra and Flavor have had a respectful dance. Why would he pick both of them are scum manipulating him over the one person he's not getting along with?
If you're both town, then you'll need to work with him and show which of his reads are right and which are wrong.
In post 7693, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
I'm just having fun thinking about this not serious but what if we pivoted to NM and then I hide in such a way as to intentionally die
Not opposed to this, but it's circular logic.
If we believe FL and if we believed your claim to hide as to die, then we'd just eliminate Black and encourage you not to die.
In post 7693, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
I'm just having fun thinking about this not serious but what if we pivoted to NM and then I hide in such a way as to intentionally die
Not opposed to this, but it's circular logic.
If we believe FL and if we believed your claim to hide as to die, then we'd just eliminate Black and encourage you not to die.
Who have you hid behind?
N1 failed due to shirou ascetic
N2 dgb
N3 failed due to merlyns role apparently
N4 knocked out
At the start I was aiming for likely town players I didn't think would be nightkilled or battled, later decided the town aspect wasn't that important
Regardless of whatever else is happening his accuracy is very high
He's also not the only one I'm trying to defer to
I don't know if the first part is true
I'm also not sure about the second part but maybe you are. I noticed FL because I'm wary of him
My main thing with FL atm is that I'd be expecting a large amount more from him if he were scum here. If this is his scum game it's a really fucking deflated version of it. Not in terms of time spent but in terms of, like, zeal. I don't think he's pushing himself *enough* to be scum.
Ranger's Read List before they died.
Black's proposed scum team involved Meuh, FL, and Whemestar, this is a strong reads list with those top 5 by Ranger.
In post 5208, Ranger wrote:
{Chandra Nalaar, Doctor Drew}
{Meuh, Flavor Leaf, WhemeStar}
{Black, SirCakez}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{SquirtleSquad}
{Firebringer}
{Skygazer}
{sheepsaysmeep}
{KittyTacky}
{ItalianoVD}
{Enchant}
{Not_Mafia}
{Malakittens, Save The Dragons}
{Titus}
{Lady Lambdadelta}
P207.
Firebringer end of Day 3, who was one of my biggest defenders.
In post 6195, Firebringer wrote:
FL isn't scum btw because he is much better at gaining thread control and manipulating people to vote where he wants when he is scum.
If you noticed in this game, he kind of sucks at both and is kind of directionless (not completely true but over emphasizing to make a point)
Indicates he is town.
Assuming DD wasn't a scum kill, or if it was, mind you, he did town read me generally too...
this entire game has been killing off people who support me.
Now that may not be the main reason these players will killed, but it definitely didn't make them worse kills because of it.
These are not night kills coming from my slot.
You can push the idea of 'that's why you kill them?!' but Chandra said it earlier, it does so much more to keep them alive and have some support in game thread rather than kill them off, and hope you come across as townie for it.
Neither Chandra nor I ever kill Firebringer in that position.
Firebringer's E6 likely just accidentally had a lot of townies in it, and scum had to break that. Like, they had to. It was about to be bad for them
I very much expect scum came into this day thinking that it wasn't going to be an easy day.
If there are only 4 scum here, if I got faded, Black would just come into tomorrow going 'Oh, well he deserved it for being such a shit town', and then push Chandra and Wheme again for the victory.
In post 7693, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
I'm just having fun thinking about this not serious but what if we pivoted to NM and then I hide in such a way as to intentionally die
Not opposed to this, but it's circular logic.
If we believe FL and if we believed your claim to hide as to die, then we'd just eliminate Black and encourage you not to die.
Who have you hid behind?
N1 failed due to shirou ascetic
N2 dgb
N3 failed due to merlyns role apparently
N4 knocked out
At the start I was aiming for likely town players I didn't think would be nightkilled or battled, later decided the town aspect wasn't that important
To be clear, does you!town mean dbg!town or are you not weak?
Regardless of whatever else is happening his accuracy is very high
He's also not the only one I'm trying to defer to
I don't know if the first part is true
I'm also not sure about the second part but maybe you are. I noticed FL because I'm wary of him
My main thing with FL atm is that I'd be expecting a large amount more from him if he were scum here. If this is his scum game it's a really fucking deflated version of it. Not in terms of time spent but in terms of, like, zeal. I don't think he's pushing himself *enough* to be scum.
Ranger's Read List before they died.
Black's proposed scum team involved Meuh, FL, and Whemestar, this is a strong reads list with those top 5 by Ranger.
In post 5208, Ranger wrote:
{Chandra Nalaar, Doctor Drew}
{Meuh, Flavor Leaf, WhemeStar}
{Black, SirCakez}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{SquirtleSquad}
{Firebringer}
{Skygazer}
{sheepsaysmeep}
{KittyTacky}
{ItalianoVD}
{Enchant}
{Not_Mafia}
{Malakittens, Save The Dragons}
{Titus}
{Lady Lambdadelta}
P207.
Firebringer end of Day 3, who was one of my biggest defenders.
In post 6195, Firebringer wrote:
FL isn't scum btw because he is much better at gaining thread control and manipulating people to vote where he wants when he is scum.
If you noticed in this game, he kind of sucks at both and is kind of directionless (not completely true but over emphasizing to make a point)
Indicates he is town.
Assuming DD wasn't a scum kill, or if it was, mind you, he did town read me generally too...
this entire game has been killing off people who support me.
Now that may not be the main reason these players will killed, but it definitely didn't make them worse kills because of it.
These are not night kills coming from my slot.
You can push the idea of 'that's why you kill them?!' but Chandra said it earlier, it does so much more to keep them alive and have some support in game thread rather than kill them off, and hope you come across as townie for it.
Neither Chandra nor I ever kill Firebringer in that position.
Firebringer's E6 likely just accidentally had a lot of townies in it, and scum had to break that. Like, they had to. It was about to be bad for them
I very much expect scum came into this day thinking that it wasn't going to be an easy day.
Firebringer supported all the major lim candidates today...
Regardless of whatever else is happening his accuracy is very high
He's also not the only one I'm trying to defer to
I don't know if the first part is true
I'm also not sure about the second part but maybe you are. I noticed FL because I'm wary of him
My main thing with FL atm is that I'd be expecting a large amount more from him if he were scum here. If this is his scum game it's a really fucking deflated version of it. Not in terms of time spent but in terms of, like, zeal. I don't think he's pushing himself *enough* to be scum.
Ranger's Read List before they died.
Black's proposed scum team involved Meuh, FL, and Whemestar, this is a strong reads list with those top 5 by Ranger.
In post 5208, Ranger wrote:
{Chandra Nalaar, Doctor Drew}
{Meuh, Flavor Leaf, WhemeStar}
{Black, SirCakez}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{SquirtleSquad}
{Firebringer}
{Skygazer}
{sheepsaysmeep}
{KittyTacky}
{ItalianoVD}
{Enchant}
{Not_Mafia}
{Malakittens, Save The Dragons}
{Titus}
{Lady Lambdadelta}
P207.
Firebringer end of Day 3, who was one of my biggest defenders.
In post 6195, Firebringer wrote:
FL isn't scum btw because he is much better at gaining thread control and manipulating people to vote where he wants when he is scum.
If you noticed in this game, he kind of sucks at both and is kind of directionless (not completely true but over emphasizing to make a point)
Indicates he is town.
Assuming DD wasn't a scum kill, or if it was, mind you, he did town read me generally too...
this entire game has been killing off people who support me.
Now that may not be the main reason these players will killed, but it definitely didn't make them worse kills because of it.
These are not night kills coming from my slot.
You can push the idea of 'that's why you kill them?!' but Chandra said it earlier, it does so much more to keep them alive and have some support in game thread rather than kill them off, and hope you come across as townie for it.
Neither Chandra nor I ever kill Firebringer in that position.
Firebringer's E6 likely just accidentally had a lot of townies in it, and scum had to break that. Like, they had to. It was about to be bad for them
I very much expect scum came into this day thinking that it wasn't going to be an easy day.
Firebringer supported all the major lim candidates today...
Yeah, but if Chandra would have went on Black, Firebringer 100% would have followed.
After Italiano flipped town, Black immediately became a bigger vote candidate, and Chandra and I were still misfadeable.
In post 7732, SirCakez wrote:
I'm not seeing Black's play as scum at all dude
What are you going off of here? I'm listening
Cakez, you've seen Rage!Titus scum from years ago. Compare this to Black.
Cakez is obv scum here imo.
I don't think so. I hope I'm wrong. Maybe I am wrong though that town are still going to consider scum!Titus in the most absurd of circumstances.
I'm in a weird spot with Cakez, cuz I misfaded him recently, so maybe not as obv as I'm saying, because I wouldn't be willing to bet the game on Cakez.
Regardless, I think Black is obvious obvious scum. Cakez defending is just making me think they're paired up, maybe Cakez is just pocketed, but I don't think I am ever wrong here with Black at this point in the game.
The moment scum sent me to fight Girtina you were never misfadable. I was suspicious until then and I'd be keeping you functional and publicly said so. Scum didn't want you to be protected. The logical question is why...
My current thinking is that scum have a rolecop and pushed my heal towards Cakey (regardless of his alignment) because Cakey's role is less valuable that yours and they had kill priority elsewhere to keep thread dominance. They hoped you'd be knocked out.
The moment scum sent me to fight Girtina you were never misfadable. I was suspicious until then and I'd be keeping you functional and publicly said so. Scum didn't want you to be protected. The logical question is why...
They know I only have 1 Hp now after Giratina too.
In post 7776, Titus wrote:
My current thinking is that scum have a rolecop and pushed my heal towards Cakey (regardless of his alignment) because Cakey's role is less valuable that yours and they had kill priority elsewhere to keep thread dominance. They hoped you'd be knocked out.
There's a possibility they think I'm lying as town with my claim here too.
I'm gonna go and check back the game I was town recently and caught scumEnchant to see who was in that game with me.
