Mini Normal 2303 [Postgame!!!!]

[sheepsaysmeep]

Day 1 Votecount 14

ItalianoVD (4):

Cook, iamveryhappy, Ausuka, Invisibility

Ausuka (3):

Black, Arsi Teroka, ItalianoVD

Cook (2):

Hu Tao, Flower

Something_Smart (1):

T3

Not Voting (3):

Something_Smart, fireisredsir, KatyKimFanClub

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

[Asri Teroka]

UNVOTE:

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: ausuka

I still prefer cook but running out of time

[Cook]

[KatyKimFanClub]

I am willing to sheep you, maybe? I'm going to read your post on Ausuka again.

You don't really have a choice if you think the other 2 are scum. We're not bringing a 4th option into this and risking yet another claim

What did you mean by this exactly? I'm struggling to parse. If I'm more confident that Cook is scum why wouldn't I vote?

[Cook]

after considering the evidence

VOTE: ausuka

i can actually check these claims

[fireisredsir]

ok im here

i think italiano is most likely scum of the three, i don't believe his claim

one point that idk if its been brought up but

if cook is town then having a town bulletproof rolecop means that basically anyone who claims after is probably going to be trueclaiming, i would expect? so i don't see why ausuka or italiano would be likely to fakeclaim here, i guess unless they thought it was the only option to prevent their own lim, and are just hoping the claim can buy them time to get a lim on cook. that seems fairly unlikely to me

and of those two claims i think odd night neapolitan sounds more likely to be a scum role than backup watcher

i guess it's possible cook is scum and both ausuka and italiano are town?? but idk i think italiano is scum either way, regardless of the alignment of other two

[fireisredsir]

let me go back and read the stuff i skimmed earlier

[fireisredsir]

Anyone considering voting outside of Cook/Ausuka/Italiano should figure out which of these 3 claimed roles we yeet today. We're not running a 4th person up to claim

I agree with this 100%

i am kinda confused why italiano if scum would claim unprompted which basically only accomplishes ensuring that the limpool is him+ausuka+cook

maybe points to 2 scum in the pool actually, and hoping that if one goes down people will see the others as relatively clear? idk

[Invisibility]

Anyone considering voting outside of Cook/Ausuka/Italiano should figure out which of these 3 claimed roles we yeet today. We're not running a 4th person up to claim

I agree with this 100%

i am kinda confused why italiano if scum would claim unprompted which basically only accomplishes ensuring that the limpool is him+ausuka+cook

maybe points to 2 scum in the pool actually, and hoping that if one goes down people will see the others as relatively clear? idk

like scum!Italiano hopped on to have one of the scum cleared if either gets limmed?

[Cook]

scum knows i'm not on their side, therefore they can reasonably expect my claim to be real. therefore they know they are completely and utterly screwed if checked by said rolecop, and that they cannot get rid of the rolecop except by shooting twice or by getting me miseliminated

and so they could trueclaim to try to call bs by making their (scum) claims seem townier than me

i think it makes pretty good sense why we saw two claims right after

[fireisredsir]

i am also kinda confused about why black says she is willing to trust flower here

flower feels like they're twisting mech for agenda purposes to me

idk how limming cook here makes the most sense ever mechanically, even if you scumread her

[fireisredsir]

Please give it some time Black it's very important to get some more input here. If Cook flips town we lose our only way to verify roles. With three claims day 1 we really are going to need that this game, especially with modifiers.

agree w this

[Cook]

not that this is at all a likely scenario but just imagine that mafia just so happened to get all three town pr's to claim and then each hard guarded one of them

[fireisredsir]

if these are all 3 town PRs then they are actually only effectively 2 PRs bc then ausuka is just a named townie (unless the non-backup watcher is mafia)

so i think there's almost no way all 3 are town

[fireisredsir]

I wonder how much of Italiano's erratic behavior is because he's trying to look scummy to dodge a nightkill or roleblock or something?

if he was trying to dodge a nightkill then why would he claim with only like 4 votes on him

[Ausuka]

Hewwo I am here now kind of

I can answer questions if people have them

I claimed backup watcher because I had happy + black + flower + italiano + Cook was definitely going to vote me based on prior behaviour + fire implied he was going to do it, and it was p close to deadline

[KatyKimFanClub]

if these are all 3 town PRs then they are actually only effectively 2 PRs bc then ausuka is just a named townie (unless the non-backup watcher is mafia)

so i think there's almost no way all 3 are town

I thought backup Watcher implied someone else was Watcher.

[Ausuka]

if these are all 3 town PRs then they are actually only effectively 2 PRs bc then ausuka is just a named townie (unless the non-backup watcher is mafia)

so i think there's almost no way all 3 are town

I'm not sure where this conclusion comes from

If I'm a named townie why can't there be an on neapolitan and the 1 shot bp rolecop

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: ausuka

I still prefer cook but running out of time

not going to engage with anything that has happened?

[Ausuka]

if these are all 3 town PRs then they are actually only effectively 2 PRs bc then ausuka is just a named townie (unless the non-backup watcher is mafia)

so i think there's almost no way all 3 are town

I thought backup Watcher implied someone else was Watcher.

It does but sometimes mods put wifom roles in games

It seems more likely there is a watcher but it's also possible there isn't one

Typically a fake backup is something weird like Backup Vig which would be a rolecop inno and gunsmith guilty, I'm not really sure what the point of backup Watcher is if there's no watcher

[fireisredsir]

if these are all 3 town PRs then they are actually only effectively 2 PRs bc then ausuka is just a named townie (unless the non-backup watcher is mafia)

so i think there's almost no way all 3 are town

I'm not sure where this conclusion comes from

If I'm a named townie why can't there be an on neapolitan and the 1 shot bp rolecop

i was saying that "all 3 PRs" wouldn't be accurate in that case bc it would actually only be 2

is 2 prs, with them being those roles, balanced? idk, i don't know balance, but i was assuming not

[Ausuka]

I also really struggle to understand the perspective there is a mafia backup watcher and a town watcher

That just sounds really swingy to have it so if a town or dies mafia just get an extra pr

Pedit: I mean probably not but shrug I am assuming others are likely to exist

[Ausuka]

Not sure what to say beyond what I've already said - I'm sure there is a chance people will decide to kill me because my role isn't actively useful and like whatever this game isn't fun anyway.

I would advise taking another look at black D2, particularly with her wall, and ask yourselves what the motives are - Like does she genuinely believe all this? She goes from thinking I might be town to suddenly being back in the tunnel at full speed with no apparent explanation? Is she really confident enough to say things like "when ausuka flips scum?"

Currently I see it through the lens that she is repeating the behaviour she saw as getting her townread - which means tunnelling in a rather ??? way and coming up with stretchy preflip theories about me.

[Black]

I am willing to sheep you, maybe? I'm going to read your post on Ausuka again.

You don't really have a choice if you think the other 2 are scum. We're not bringing a 4th option into this and risking yet another claim

What did you mean by this exactly? I'm struggling to parse. If I'm more confident that Cook is scum why wouldn't I vote?

I misunderstood actually. I thought that you thought Cook and IVD were town, my b