Mafia 88- Return to New Catania- Game Over!

[OhGodMyLife]

what if i have a power role what then?? does that make you a scum hunter or a role fisher??

It makes you an idiot for playing in a deliberately anti-town fashion, thereby drawing a wagon which forced you into the position of softclaiming in the first place. On that note, I think you should full claim.

[OhGodMyLife]

I voted tubby for the softclaim, which I find to be very scummy. After catching up and putting together my thoughts on Sir T I found the weight of evidence against him to be heavier. Tubby's lurking and "lack of context" (by which I assume you mean lack of meaningful contribution) is, yes, also vote worthy.

Then why did you say you were against a lurker lynch then a few post later vote for tubby for lurkering?

I changed my mind.

Why are you so concerned with my opinion on tubby, but have nothing to say about what I wrote on the topic of Sir T except to comment that it came at the expense of a vote for tubby?

[tubby216]

what if i have a power role what then?? does that make you a scum hunter or a role fisher??

It makes you an idiot for playing in a deliberately anti-town fashion, thereby drawing a wagon which forced you into the position of softclaiming in the first place. On that note, I think you should full claim.

again with the fishing,, and no i will not claim,,

i wasn't in a position to softclaim,, and sure there was a wagon that wanted me lynched but people got off the wagon when i posted showing that i had been paying attention,

[tubby216]

I voted tubby for the softclaim, which I find to be very scummy. After catching up and putting together my thoughts on Sir T I found the weight of evidence against him to be heavier. Tubby's lurking and "lack of context" (by which I assume you mean lack of meaningful contribution) is, yes, also vote worthy.

Then why did you say you were against a lurker lynch then a few post later vote for tubby for lurkering?

I changed my mind.

Why are you so concerned with my opinion on tubby, but have nothing to say about what I wrote on the topic of Sir T except to comment that it came at the expense of a vote for tubby?

because you are doing more flip flops than a fish out of water

flip flops+opertunistic wagon jumping+ irrational thought= scum

you sir are scum,, enjoy the gallows

[farside22]

I voted tubby for the softclaim, which I find to be very scummy. After catching up and putting together my thoughts on Sir T I found the weight of evidence against him to be heavier. Tubby's lurking and "lack of context" (by which I assume you mean lack of meaningful contribution) is, yes, also vote worthy.

Then why did you say you were against a lurker lynch then a few post later vote for tubby for lurkering?

I changed my mind.

Why are you so concerned with my opinion on tubby, but have nothing to say about what I wrote on the topic of Sir T except to comment that it came at the expense of a vote for tubby?

Because I find your back and forth scummy and the fact you went from tubby to Sir T just struck me was weird. I know people see that people mention something they find scummy from a player and that player changes tactic's so I question you for changing tactics.

[Shanba]

I am against tubby fullclaiming. I do not believe he is danger of a lynch yet. And, to be frank, I can see the softclaim as equally characteristic of poor power-role play. OGML, I am surprised that you would try and pressure tubby into claiming before gaining the consensus of the town. Why did you do so?

Tubby, he's not fishing. Fishing implies subtly trying to get you to reveal your role; i.e, not out and out asking you to claim.

And I don't think the attack on Sir T is productive.

[OhGodMyLife]

I am against tubby fullclaiming. I do not believe he is danger of a lynch yet. And, to be frank, I can see the softclaim as equally characteristic of poor power-role play. OGML, I am surprised that you would try and pressure tubby into claiming before gaining the consensus of the town. Why did you do so?

I believe it would be beneficial for him to do so before this game goes to night.

And I don't think the attack on Sir T is productive.

Thats a very strange turnaround for someone who was willing to follow me into voting Sir T with no voiced basis whatsoever.

[Xylthixlm]

Okay, tubby's aggressive defense is really sticking out like a sore thumb here. There's a better-than-random chance he's scum, and I don't think having him alive later will help the town much.

unvote killa seven, vote tubby216

[tubby216]

so if i shut up and say nothing i get wagoned, then i speak up try to help ,, present a case and i still get voted ,, i love this ,,,this game is awesome

[Xylthixlm]

Why are you so concerned about being voted?

[tubby216]

i'm not concerned,, i just find it amusing its like i am damned if i do and damned if i don't

[Shanba]

I am against tubby fullclaiming. I do not believe he is danger of a lynch yet. And, to be frank, I can see the softclaim as equally characteristic of poor power-role play. OGML, I am surprised that you would try and pressure tubby into claiming before gaining the consensus of the town. Why did you do so?

I believe it would be beneficial for him to do so before this game goes to night.

Sure, you're perfectly ok to believe that, it's just the impression I got was that you were trying to push it through on a demonstrably weak player before the rest of the town weighed in.

And I don't think the attack on Sir T is productive.

Thats a very strange turnaround for someone who was willing to follow me into voting Sir T with no voiced basis whatsoever.

Please. Don't sit there insinuating at me, voice it outright if you want to accuse me of being scummy. But more to the point, I've already explained that I do not agree with your reasons for attacking Sir T: I do not agree with Xyl's reasons either. Yet I still find him suspicious, some of the reasons for which I have articulated (well, ok one of the reasons for which).

[Yosarian2]

vote:Tubby

Smells like frustrated scum to me.

[iamausername]

I have every intention of returning that vote to [OGML] when he's actually going to be around to respond, but in the meantime, I figured that adding to the "stop killa seven lurking" drive was a better use for it.

It might not be showing up on your screens, but there is totally a disclaimer here saying that this is assuming OGML does not immediately post a fairly convincing explanation for his Sir T vote upon his return.

I'd still like him to explain how SensFan's catch-up voting was scummy, but now that that's the only thing I have against him, logic dictates that I should instead

Unvote, Vote: curiouskarmadog

, since I want an explanation on the same from him too, and a) he went after Sens with considerably more vehemence, and b) he has done bugger all else so far.

[Hoopla]

Good to see OGML back up to date, I think his reasoning on Sir T is valid, but I don't understand why he didn't show us his case initially rather than voting without reasoning. I'm against tubby full-claiming just yet, but I endorse the wagon on him.

what if i have a power role what then?? does that make you a scum hunter or a role fisher??

This is an awful argument, coupled with your lengthy OMGUS arguments is enough to warrant my vote;

unvote, vote: tubby

[Der Hammer]

Unvote, Vote:Tubby

until he claims...

[Hoopla]

Unvote, Vote:Tubby

until he claims...

Tubby is at L-7, are you endorsing a bandwagon to L-1 or L-2 until he claims? Or do you just want him to claim now?

[SensFan]

i'm not concerned,, i just find it amusing its like i am damned if i do and damned if i don't

If you don't post, you will be lynched. If you soft-claim, you will be wagoned until a full claim.

[OhGodMyLife]

Please. Don't sit there insinuating at me, voice it outright if you want to accuse me of being scummy. But more to the point, I've already explained that I do not agree with your reasons for attacking Sir T: I do not agree with Xyl's reasons either. Yet I still find him suspicious, some of the reasons for which I have articulated (well, ok one of the reasons for which).

I was not insinuating anything, I was remarking that it was a strange stance to take for someone who voices agreement on at least a general level of Sir T being scummy to think pressure against Sir T is unproductive.

Unvote, Vote: tubby216

[xyzzy]

I'm good with the tubby wagon. He's flailing a bit. His most recent post reeks of "yeah, I'm screwed, who cares?"

unvote vote tubby

I don't like Sir T's response to being called out; trying to avoid NK by acting scummy is trying to declare yourself the most important thing in the game; one player does not win games, and your survival at the expense of useful lynches is extremely arrogant.

[tubby216]

i will be V/LA untill wednesday the 12th

i stated i would be away for four days, that was on page three

on page 6 post #149 i return and attempt to get caught up

then i while i was catchin up yos posted his lurker hunt post,, at that time i had nothing of substance to add so i diddn't post, then more posts were saying how that wasn't helpful,, but at the time i had nothing to post ,, so my first wagon starts,, OGML hops on the bandwagon abandoning his proir theory that he "found scum" but only after 5 people have already voted for me and i was clearly on my way to a lynch,

I was also out of town for like 3 days during that time too, upon my return a substantial wagon had formed on me and i was content to alow it and se if i could termine everyones motives for being on it, and OGML stuck out as scum

then i posted some content stated my reasons why i thought OGML may be scum, but voted for puta wanting puta to post or actually play the game, so puta gets removed and i do a re-read during that re-read OGML posts his case agianst me and SirT basically making me look scummy as all heck but continues to vote sir t. Then i post my rebutle because i believe his case false and full of holes, but i know its sounds like alot of OMGUS kinda case but i believe there is something there,,

OMGL still continues to suspect calls my play idiotic and anti town, the pushes me to claim but still does not decide to vote for me for pressure untill 4 other people have voted for me,, seems to me to be a load of bs,

and I will not claim, i will go to the gallows nice and quiet and with out a claim

[SensFan]

and I will not claim, i will go to the gallows nice and quiet and with out a claim

You realize that if you are Town, you are contributing to your loss with this, right?

[Xylthixlm]

tubby: Did OGML pushing hardest for your lynch influence your decision that he's scum?

Does anyone else on the wagon look scummy to you?

[tubby216]

seriously am i that far off? or did i present a case so insane that absolutely no one else can see it?

[tubby216]

tubby: Did OGML pushing hardest for your lynch influence your decision that he's scum?

Does anyone else on the wagon look scummy to you?

no not that he was pushing,, it was the fact he was pushing and then waited till like 4 other people voted to back up his pushing with a vote,,, he seems to be trying to secure a safe place on what ever wagon he pushes,

warning this is with out a proper re-read on the people on the wagon

other suspects,
, likely sensfans for being opurtunistic with little comments or support as to why,

perhaps Yos,, same thing not a whole lot of reasoning behind it,

also to a lesser extent der hammer,,

will read on the three players mentioned above to see if anything sticks out