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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:18 am

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In post 566, Bingle wrote: I need to chart this out on a piece of paper, which slightly difficult due to travel, but I think limming today might lead to a forced 1v1 in several cases.

I haven’t looked at No lims, but this might well be one of the rare instances where we can satisfy kowahs lack of bloodlust with optimal play.
That's sort of what im thinking too. We have 2 confirmed town, and both roleblocker and checker can confirm 1 person nightly, by checker confirming black first, then someone else while black confirms another people, which leaves only 1 person if evil isn't found by then (which would be the checker)

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N2, Black goes on me, appearance checks black, tracker checks app.
If none of them die, then we have 2 more conf town as well as me if i didnt die. Meaning its one od bingle or doc, we lim one and rb the other.
If no one dies, we lim me and since its down to doc and bingle now, we get two invest on one and rb the other for game.
I'm not sure if directing the doc is the correct play but i believe since apperance both clears someone and is cleared himself doc should be on him. Regardless i think the game is over to mech play so if we no lim until we know the scum for sure even if we're down to 3 people then we just autowin. Since we know the pretender we also know invis' results arent bogus.
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:22 am

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We won anyway. Kinda cringe to win a game through shoddy design but what can you do. I'm for no limming today and waiting for night results. I'm fine with getting limmed as well but i believe that would take longer.

VOTE: no elimination
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:43 am

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Vizzy doesn’t get results in the case of a no kill. Only appearance does. And appearance isn’t conf yet.
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:46 am

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Appearance not being conf doesn't mean his results have a chance of being wrong.

If he's town, then his results are true due to the fact he's town.
If he's scum, his results are true due to the fact he's the last scum remaining.

You're right about the no kill situation, but if a no kill happens thats just more opportunity for investigation.
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:47 am

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Honestly town's hand is so stacked that we can afford to make all sorts of mistakes and still win
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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:19 am

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Definitely not the mech guy here, but just point me in the right direction and tell me where to go lol.
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:53 am

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In post 565, Bingle wrote: Drew becomes defacto lim if everyone else is confed. Can’t conf him over you/me because we need his action to keep vizzy alive.

If black blocks doc and kills vizzy that creates a 1v1 between black and doc, which is solved by appearance on black. There is a loophole here for black scum to win by killing appearance, but we should be able to close that with a slight rework.

Vizzy on black, appearance on drew should work I think?
sure.
since if drew docs invis and invis is on black, i feel like it feels pretty safe.
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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:02 am

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also, knowing myself to be town, if neither me nor invis get a guilty, don/u will be confscum fmpov.
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:03 am

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if a kill happens.
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:04 am

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In post 582, Appearance wrote: also, knowing myself to be town, if neither me nor invis get a guilty, don/u will be confscum fmpov.
I mean one of u/don, if it wasn't clear.
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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:06 am

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so i think ur plan is definitely a good idea.
(and maybe towny, considering that it doesn't really help u if u were scum.)
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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:15 am

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do I track Appearance or Black?
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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:50 pm

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In post 586, Invisibility wrote: do I track Appearance or Black?
I personally think Black is prob town.
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:46 pm

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In post 578, Donempire wrote: Appearance not being conf doesn't mean his results have a chance of being wrong.
His innocent results can't be wrong. One of our lose paths involves a 1v1 between Appearance and literally any non conftown at this point.
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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:13 pm

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Vizzy on Appearance.
Appearance on Black.
Doc on Vizzy.
Black on me.

Appearance checks black to prevent Black from fake guilty shenanigans involving blocking Appearance.
Vizzy seeing Appearance target means that Black and Appearance are both town. If they're not, the action fails.
Vizzy not seeing Appearance target means that there is scum between Black and Appearance.
Vizzy getting no result means Black is scum.
Vizzy dying means there is scum between Doc and Black.
I am town if there is a kill.
If anyone other than Vizzy dies, there is scum in Doc/Don and we have two eliminations.
If there is no kill, we have three eliminations and three unconfirmed slots (me/Don/Doc) at worst or a 1v1 at best.

Autowin if everyone agrees to the action plan.
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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:27 pm

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yeah sounds good
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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:57 pm

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Is it worth it at all for me to submit a night action just in case somehow I'm not a pretender?
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:59 pm

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I mean... go for it? It can't hurt anything.
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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:01 pm

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So......no elim today?
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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:21 pm

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In post 576, Donempire wrote: Kinda cringe to win a game through shoddy design but what can you do.
The setup design isn't
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shoddy fwiw. It's fine outside of the instance where both there is a scum pretender and said pretender is flipped D1. The PC elim was clutch for the town win here.

It's just that this setup has an unfortunate snowball effect baked in where scum can be backed into a corner after a single lim, which is, yeah, not good.
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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:21 pm

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In post 593, Doctor Drew wrote: So......no elim today?
No elim today.
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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:24 pm

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In post 595, Bingle wrote:
In post 593, Doctor Drew wrote: So......no elim today?
No elim today.
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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:27 pm

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In post 589, Bingle wrote: Vizzy on Appearance.
Appearance on Black.
Doc on Vizzy.
Black on me.

Appearance checks black to prevent Black from fake guilty shenanigans involving blocking Appearance.
Vizzy seeing Appearance target means that Black and Appearance are both town. If they're not, the action fails.
Vizzy not seeing Appearance target means that there is scum between Black and Appearance.
Vizzy getting no result means Black is scum.
Vizzy dying means there is scum between Doc and Black.
I am town if there is a kill.
If anyone other than Vizzy dies, there is scum in Doc/Don and we have two eliminations.
If there is no kill, we have three eliminations and three unconfirmed slots (me/Don/Doc) at worst or a 1v1 at best.

Autowin if everyone agrees to the action plan.
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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:45 pm

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VOTE: no lim
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Post Post #599 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:48 pm

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VOTE: no lim
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