Mini Normal 2303 [Postgame!!!!]

[ItalianoVD]

i’m confused why there isn’t much discussion about my wagon when four people are on it

I wasn't gonna say anything yet because it's really not much to say for an RVS wagon early. Obviously I wouldn't want it to get pushed through if you're town, but I think early on having some type of wagon movement/development is good.

[sheepsaysmeep]

Day 1 Votecount 2

Cook (5):

HighPrincessErinys, KatyKimFanClub, Invisibility, fireisredsir, Ausuka

Invisibility (2):

iamveryhappy, Black

Hu Tao (1):

Arsi Teroka

HighPrincessErinys (1):

Cook

T3 (1):

ItalianoVD

Not Voting (3):

T3, Something_Smart, Hu Tao

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

[Asri Teroka]

asri tekora also lurk confirmed
139 logic bad

Touch grass.

[Asri Teroka]

VOTE: Ausuka

[HighPrincessErinys]

UNVOTE: Cook
Removing my RVS vote that this one has zero attachment to. Importantly, this one is very curious about how and why this wagon has picked up so fast.

[Asri Teroka]

UNVOTE: Cook
Removing my RVS vote that this one has zero attachment to. Importantly, this one is very curious about how and why this wagon has picked up so fast.

This one thinks you're town.

[Cook]

i’m confused why there isn’t much discussion about my wagon when four people are on it

do you have anything to say about your wagon

i don’t like it and think its wheels might have been greased by scum somehow

[Ausuka]

cook wagon slowly building.
I need to see the people on the wagon's justifications, don't just give "oh idk bc of the vibes" as a reason
rvs is a valid reason

I wanted to give her a chance to answer my questions first but it doesn't seem like she's interested in doing that so shrug. I think 111 and 112 are worded in a way where I'm not sure I'm not misunderstanding anything but my concerns are

1) She says, "man i’m having a real hard time following this game! y’all are posting so much" which is a fairly common sentiment to see in games but I can't say I've ever seen it on page 5. She had made a few posts already and they were pretty evenly spread out throughout the thread, but the posts weren't game related; I don't think she was struggling to keep up with the post volume. I think it's more likely she was struggling to engage in scumhunting/alignment discussion which is something I think comes from scum more often.

2) Struggling to keep up with mafia play is, like, +scum chance but also something that can come from people of either alignment who haven't played in a while. In this case, I think it's more likely than usual to come from mafia cook because she tries to paint it as people being hyperactive and flooding the thread rather than her being disengaged from mafia; I think this shows an interest in like, Not Looking Bad and it doesn't feel like it's organic posting I guess. Similarly, she later implies that she's being voted for inactivity when in reality cook has been like, right in the middle of postcount at pretty much all times.

3) with 112 I still don't really get what it means so I don't want to jump to conclusions here but it felt like piggybacking fire's 'push' on happy (which in hindsight wasn't a real push i guess) which felt sort of bad

[Ausuka]

I think wagons are protown and the concern feels overblown to me

[HighPrincessErinys]

There's nothing protown about rushing a wagon to E-2 within like 4 hours of the game starting.

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: HighPrincessErinys

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: HighPrincessErinys

You're REALLY confusing me now.

[Cook]

isn’t that a big wagon now too

[Cook]

eh. two votes. nvm

[Ausuka]

There's nothing protown about rushing a wagon to E-2 within like 4 hours of the game starting.

I think early wagons are fine, I think e-2 is really not that big of a deal, and I don't think the wagon is 'rushed' - I like the Cook vote

[HighPrincessErinys]

I like the Cook vote

Whose?

[Ausuka]

Mine

[Asri Teroka]

1) She says, "man i’m having a real hard time following this game! y’all are posting so much"

You are all posting too much this one says Cook is right here.

[Ausuka]

1) She says, "man i’m having a real hard time following this game! y’all are posting so much"

You are all posting too much this one says Cook is right here.

I mean cook has more posts than me

[Invisibility]

I am posting too much at least

[Cook]

[quote="Asri Teroka" post_id=13807303 post_num=167 time=<a href="tel:1686443184" style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">1686443184</a> user_id=36970]
[quote=Ausuka post_id=13807248 post_num=157 time=<a href="tel:1686441773" style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">1686441773</a> user_id=30241]

1) She says, "man i’m having a real hard time following this game! y’all are posting so much"

You are all posting too much this one says Cook is right here.
[/quote]
I mean cook has more posts than me
[/quote]but less content overall

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: HighPrincessErinys

You're REALLY confusing me now.

i thought the unvote was a lil performance and so was the being Very Concerned about how not pro-town the wagon was

wagons provoke reactions and responses, from the person wagoned and from others, and that moves the game forward and allows people to be more readable. cook wasn't going to get flipped, i think you know that, so why wasn't the wagon pro-town?

[fireisredsir]

performative*

[HighPrincessErinys]

Wagons are pro-town they aren't being pushed into kill range for literally no reason on the first fucking real-life day of the game. Can you ACTUALLY show me that we got anything out of 5 votes on Cook, a minimum of two of which were RVS and the rest with flimsy reasoning like "vibes"?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Town doesn't E-2 someone when it wants info it E-2s someone when they're a top scumread and people want them dead.