Mafia 2301: Angels and Demons (Game Over)

[demona]

am I the only one willing to vote demona at this point lol

is this because

you are annoyed with me?

or

do you think it is likely i am a scums?

[demona]

and if the latter how did you get here from 'you're the towniest in the game'

also this pretty !?! when considering posts from yesterday

[demona]

also kinda curious how you see that playing out if you were to do so

[Meuh]

am I the only one willing to vote demona at this point lol

I hope so

[Meuh]

i think most of my worries about biancospino have gone away

Actually I'm curious on this, because I liked her being more proactive, but the content of those proactive posts themselves was eyebrow raising

[Meuh]

Ok but it's not lke mo was afraid of voting phir

he voted phir thrice

Little moments like these just sit in the back of my mind and fill me with dread

[Meuh]

i think most of my worries about biancospino have gone away

Actually I'm curious on this, because I liked her being more proactive, but the content of those proactive posts themselves was eyebrow raising

Though regardless, the more active participation makes limming him less appealing than CSF (though I find CSF scummier at the moment anyways)

[demona]

i think most of my worries about biancospino have gone away

Actually I'm curious on this, because I liked her being more proactive, but the content of those proactive posts themselves was eyebrow raising

it wasn't just the proactivity to me like it felt like biancospino was somewhat invested in the grandpamo thing like with the green v blue thing and also the way she quickly put it together when grandpamo was dropping the claim like her comment there felt good to me, though i guess a scums could be invested but then very unlikely partnered with grandpamo i think, and maybe i am not giving enough weight to previous concerns but yeah,

[demona]

but then very unlikely partnered with grandpamo i think,

though their interactions have otherwise felt kinda awkward, mmm,

anyway one sec going to look at that post in context

[demona]

Ok but it's not lke mo was afraid of voting phir

he voted phir thrice

Little moments like these just sit in the back of my mind and fill me with dread

hm, because while true it seemingly misses the point? like the 'reading a different game' thing, ?

[demona]

like the 'reading a different game' thing, ?

like surface level without really considering what is being said and what it means?

or am i missing what you are seeing altogether,

[mykonian]

You try to hide! Sin and shame
Cannot be hidden.
Air? Light?
Woe on you!

Votecount

Cat Scratch Fever (4): Meuh, Phir, Greeting, imaginality
Doctor Drew (1): Whemestar
Phir (1): biancospino
Demona (1): Enchant
GrandpaMo (1): Doctor Drew
Enchant (1): Cat Scratch Fever

not voting (2): demona, GrandpaMo

With 11 alive it's 6 to eliminate.

[demona]

like biancospino not actually considering grandpamo's alignment just stating a counterpoint? could maybe see that

[Meuh]

Ok but it's not lke mo was afraid of voting phir

he voted phir thrice

...and then backed off, randomly saying Phir is probably town and throwing a vote on Drew instead

Fight with someone but be afraid to vote them

Like perhaps "be afraid to vote them" isn't the most accurate description, but it's weird framing to go "well he voted Phir thrice" without considering the random change in his read and the change in vote that went along with it

This basically

[demona]

Ok but it's not lke mo was afraid of voting phir

he voted phir thrice

...and then backed off, randomly saying Phir is probably town and throwing a vote on Drew instead

Fight with someone but be afraid to vote them

Like perhaps "be afraid to vote them" isn't the most accurate description, but it's weird framing to go "well he voted Phir thrice" without considering the random change in his read and the change in vote that went along with it

This basically

okay yeah the missing the context of the post thing,

like i could see it yeah

[biancospino]

am I the only one willing to vote demona at this point lol

And Enchant, albeit semirandomly

[demona]

am I the only one willing to vote demona at this point lol

And Enchant, albeit semirandomly

hm, thoughts on 795?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Cat Scratch it's as if you push where you need to instead of where townmight have to idk.

What on earth does this mean lol

[Cat Scratch Fever]

And... eh I guess scum!bianco might see town!Phir as a possible mislim but CSF's vote on Enchant seems the most likely to be scum trying to get a different mislim going after the first one stalled.

This would only make sense if you're hard townreading Enchant, which I dont remember you doing. What's your read there?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

like if enchant is town i would like enchant (and same goes for whemestar) to find things they are interested in or think are important here and post about them, could be overall patterns could be specific posts specific reads could be the game itself, like anything really, because i do think it would make them both much more sortable, but i don't really know how to encourage that here like you can't really manufacture excitement for the game on someone else's behalf

I see what youre saying in the rest of this post though, that certain conditions need to exist for Enchant to do stuff

we could wagon him to manufacture those conditions :3

[Phir]

Cat Scratch it's as if you push where you need to instead of where townmight have to idk.

What on earth does this mean lol

Idk you're acting like scum keeping things safe? Like you position yourself insteada really hunting scum? Has been one vibe. At least you're starting to question me.

[Greeting]

Okay, I am back. Let me catch up.

[Greeting]

it was yeah

I wouldn't fake a whole thing that probably in my head makes me look more town than scum...

I could have just not done all that and played my original playstyle and probably get scumread for it because I am a very versatile player that can transform into a playstyle that can be scumread. I know my own playstyle and multiple people in this game can tell you that.

In what world hijacking the thread with a false claim and distracting everyone with a phoney game makes you look more town than scum?

[Greeting]

Spoiler: nest

Post 125 (votes me),

492

(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post 220)

492 is indeed troubling as I've pointed out earlier; but 220 does not actually put Greeting in the towncore, it sais 'can be town but'. I'd be interested in seeing what Phir has to say on the topic because I actually have strong opinions on what state of mind town!Phir should've had in order to make that post

just gonna skip ahead a bit momentarily (don't worry still working) and say that i think there's a good chance 492 is related to 442 and such regardless of phir's alignment

like phir either townreads meuh or is pretending to and phir as town weighs the inputs of others, which is pretty consistent and evident, or is very good at faking this aspect of their townplay

It's the mega sus part that's shiny. The quote is of Greeting, so I'm assuming

you

means Greeting

could you reword this for me, i am having trouble following

I don't see Phir ever having been "mega sus" of Greeting, so that's a weird thing to have to "move on" from

I don't remember him saying anything about being suspicious of me either, however I think it's not a big deal. He could have just been seeing me as suspicious in his mind for whatever reason.

[Greeting]

Spoiler:

Because it was all a lie. I was afraid if I continued to play normally in a bastard game that involved Angels and Demons, I would be the first one to die during the night. There was motivation from all over my unconscious mind to do this including wanting to be scumread, wanting to get reactions, wanting to test out faking a whole role to see if it gave any valuable information for either player who either 1. Asked the questions or 2. interacted with each other about the questions. And I learned a lot through it and Phir is my top contender as scum. They are hiding something that they don't want to tell you all. They are afraid. Why do you think they are not pushing me right now? And have always been poking me but never doing anything about it? Because they thought my role was real to eventually reveal what a fraud they are.

eh i mean i can kinda relate to the assumed likelihood of being nightkilled because i feel similarly right now but why is that something to be avoided, like to me it's just solve as much of the game as i possibly can while i'm alive and then it is what it is

like are you just saying you want to continue playing the game indefinitely and thus needed to avoid being nightkilled by... making a big mess of the game?

okay what did you learn about others who asked questions and interacted with eachother about the questions? like you can just omit me from your response here but am interested in the others beyond phir,

is it because phir did not want to ask you any questions? at one point i worried that maybe phir thought you would gain something from being asked, but could in theory have thought you would gain something as a scums,

I do not wanna get nightkilled because I am testing something in the night -- It was all elaborate plan (even including me "escaping"). I don't wanna reveal too much there until later tbh.

And no Phir isn't scum just because of that, they are scum of the reasons I said -- they have been consistently inconsistent in every post they have made. I urge you to take a look at their iso.

Post 56 just sounds a TMI post in the context that everyone already posted their scum / town reasons for their read on you. Then out of nowhere their RVS is "demona is good" they also push Drew in that post for being too agressive

Out of nowhere in post 116 right after responding to a question, they want to make Bianco claim! That early in the game I know they were at E2 or whatever it was -- but that probably means Bianco was a scumwagon or something and Phir was just rolefishing.

Post 125 (votes me),
128 (questions greeting as scum),
130 (talking about spino wagon),
137 (calling me possible town, urge to hammer for spino and questioning to hammer, and voting whemestar),
146 (then questions imag and me scum in a scumpool they create based on spinos flip???),
159 (votes imaginaility),
178 (calls me fake but was def saying I was town earlier - they also say they happy with town core but have not specified anybody lol),
180 (votes me again after pushing them with one post),
181 (questioning CSF),
182 (now questioning me as town???),
220 (u actually question who the towncore is and they say meuh and demona and then question greeting and cat),
221 (continuing to hover over me and questioning about pushing me??? and giving me the option to push them? probably because they are scared and dont actually wanna commit),
223 (questioning wheme as town)
239 (all over the place trying to scumread me.... they are claiming stuff out of context, stuff that dont even make sense? like appeal to authority? what does have to do with anything? they are just conitnuing to be all over the place here and even saying "i will decide how to vote" they just sound like a newbscum tryna push me back and they have nothing so they are pulling shit out of their ass LOL)
243 (questioning me as town once again)
320 (calls me classic scum and votes Cat Scratch Fever) this is probably the biggest red flag lol
464 (says willing to sheep meuh now??? and prob "wheme, bianco or enchant I guess. Maybe Drew as a distant fifth." not even me mentioned other "innocent" behavior as town???

492

(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post 220)

This is my scumcase on phir. If you tell me there is nothing wrong with that ISO, then you're just flatout lying. This is probably one of the worst ISO's I ever seen and I doubt it comes from town. Not only shows them they are all over the place, they are multiple contradictions and just so many ugh posts that is like so obvious. Please.

This case just seems to boil down to "Phir's perspective on stuff changed over time" which isn't very convincing
Phir could've communicated these shifts better but stuff like Phir considering Greeting for the towncore and then later saying they had sus on Greeting just feels like someone having gotten some mild scumpings in between those posts

My thoughts exactly.

And

Meuh

gets a townread from me for this.