TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Game Over!

[Radical Rat]

How would that be a fake guilty? That would be you actually being tracked to a kill.

It would be fake because I didn't visit anyone. If I got tracked to Fate, that would be a lie.

[Jingle]

Full strongman means that all three powerups are useless red herrings, RR is strictly antitown if town, your role is literally useless, and this is basically Even Night Tracker and UB against a team with what is functionally a full roleblocker.

[HighPrincessErinys]

That sounds like "weird ass setup" to me.

[Radical Rat]

Specifically what I thought could have happened is Scum!HPE believing it could use the Tanuki to circumvent my rolestop, and then claim to have seen me visit Fate.

This is why I needed HPE to claim first, so it couldn't know that I didn't protect Fate, and then the gambit falls apart.

But also this... didn't happen, so there's not too much point in litigating it.

[Jingle]

Like, I was preparing to fight off a fake guilty when I saw the flip

When were you preparing to fight off a fake guilty, exactly? Night phase or post seeing Fate flip?

[Jingle]

That sounds like "weird ass setup" to me.

It actually sounds like horribly scumsided garbage, but yeah.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Power up: wgeurts

Obviously best to just give this to conftown.

[Radical Rat]

Like, I was preparing to fight off a fake guilty when I saw the flip

When were you preparing to fight off a fake guilty, exactly? Night phase or post seeing Fate flip?

After the Fate flip. My initial reaction was that scum thought they could pierce my protection somehow, and since I don't believe a true strongman exists, HPE trying to use the Tanuki to slip through was what popped in my head.

[Jingle]

Hm.

I'm way to dead atm to be able to work out optimization, but I'll try to get to it tomorrow.

I feel like we have enough obvtown slots to just be in autowin, but I should give due diligence anyway.

[Jingle]

Koba wants me to thank you for killing one of the people they were paranoid about, rat.

[Adorable]

Jingle do you really think a rolestopper is scum with a scum roleblocker that flipped?

[Adorable]

VOTE: Power up wgeurts

[Jingle]

Jingle do you really think a rolestopper is scum with a scum roleblocker that flipped?

At the moment? Yes.

[Jingle]

Or rather, I don't think the play makes sense with the claim, nor do I think the claim fits into the setup.

[Jingle]

I don't actually think RR is a rolestopper.

[Radical Rat]

Why do I kill Fate as scum, knowing that I'm accountable for protecting them? Even if they investigate me, the role isn't a straight guilty, and if I kill Adorable instead it becomes easy to sell it as a failed kill on me.

And even supposing I did kill Fate, why do I admit to not protecting anybody after verifying HPE didn't track me?

[Radical Rat]

Why do I hard bus Cerb instead of going after Fate? Why do I claim rolestopper at all instead of an impossible to verify (at the time) Doctor?

[Radical Rat]

Obviously I fucked up by not protecting Fate, but if I'm scum here I target the protective who's supposed to be guarding the investigative over the actual investigative, so I thought that's what would happen here too.

Clearly, I was wrong, but I have done so much more in this game than just make a bad night play

[Fate]

BAH YOU GODDAMN CLOWNFUCKS

[petapan]

Why do I hard bus Cerb instead of going after Fate? Why do I claim rolestopper at all instead of an impossible to verify (at the time) Doctor?

if you 1v1 Fate there you almost certainly lose

Anyway, eh.

[petapan]

Obviously I fucked up by not protecting Fate, but if I'm scum here I target the protective who's supposed to be guarding the investigative over the actual investigative, so I thought that's what would happen here too.

Clearly, I was wrong, but I have done so much more in this game than just make a bad night play

scum probably had 0 concern about your role if they shot fate anyway, yeah?


i have a plan but i need to check some things first. i'm willing to bet the game on hpe town, adorable is

very likely

town but i want to make sure she doesn't have a history of excessive bussing, if that is the case i think we're good

[petapan]

ah hell, i don't know

[Radical Rat]

Thoughts Time:

My first guess for scum here is peta. He was on Porkens, but off Cerb, I've been scumreading him off and on throughout the game, and judging by end of day, Fate would have agreed.

Jingle is a source of mild paranoia for me. In general, I'd trust him more than myself on mechanical matters, but when he's saying my role shouldn't exist, and I have my role... at the very least, he's wrong. I also think that if there was scum bussing peta, Jingle is the most likely to be that scum.

Adorable is probably just Town. We know she's Loved, and she was the swing vote for Cerb, probably could have turned it onto me instead if she'd wanted to.

HPE scares me a lot, because while I'm leaning Town presently, if it is scum we're kinda fucked. Was also on Porkens but off Cerb, was frankly bizarrely trusting of his claim, the kill makes the most sense in this world, and I'm not 100% convinced Daisy makes sense as a UB... but also willingly generating conftown is something scum usually avoids, and there were a couple angles that could have been taken to mislim me instead... but also doing things this way is safer and no one's going to want to lim it in MeLo... but I don't know if I'm willing to give up a potential cop shot going into ELo.

Wgeurts is IC now, because even if HPE is lying, they can't both be scum, but I was strongly townreading them anyway.


Conclusions: I don't fuckin' have any

[Radical Rat]

@Jingle
If you assume I am in fact a two-shot rolestopper, where do you think the setup breaks down elsewhere?

[Radical Rat]

@Adorable
I know we did this with the Tanuki already, but would you mind asking Cakez if the mushroom can protect you from dying if your target is attacked?