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[ofrhz]

Looking at Bub's ISO:

Hu Tao is probably town. Consistently willing to compromise lim there

CKD is still town, they don't read SvS at all

His Glitch read feels like TMI instead of coming from a partner

Really meh defense of Skygazer when that wagon started up, she could be scum

I'm side-eyeing his post about Eira (bpp, now sheepsaysmeep) here: 2031. I can see that kind of deflection away from Eiralox come from a partner

Probably 1...maybe 2 scum at the end of the wagon? Decent chance that one of these:

Save The Dragons, curiouskarmadog, Bub Bidderskins, Hu Tao, Kowahbunga

Is scum. Kowah stated earlier that they would hammer on anybody and followed through here, I know I'm town of course but I can see why people would think me getting on that wagon at that time looks like a bus. That leaves CKD and Hu as likely bussers. Andante being more or less confirmed town in my mind makes me lean scum on CKD because the original scum case on them was based on a suspicious push on Andante. Hu's another one in a likely scum spot.

It would be unusually ballsy to single out the end of the day 1 wagon if 2 scum were on it, no? I'd guess that the remaining unflipped are all probably town, and I was leaning town on all of those slots to begin with

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Don't worry guys, STD left me the masterplan.

Apparently we poll everyone: Sheep or Malcolm for today

I'd lim sheep over malcolm

Malcolm actually talked to Bub a good deal days 2 and 3 and it doesn't feel SvS to me. How Malcolm's read on bub developed felt natural to me, dunno how to explain better than that. Malcolm was also content to let both wagons on scum go through without actually voting there, so he's not angling to get "credit" for voting scum or anything

Bub did a lot of shading the ballpointpen slot without ever voting there and never cared to pursue that scumread further afaict, which is kind of a classically scummy associative

[Doctor Drew]

how much have u read

I read your iso

Is that enough for you then

As far as sheep goes yes, especially their views on Bub(Bud?)

What? That guy? No, we weren't partners. In fact, I barely knew his name, I swear!

Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

But their views on Bub/Bud were interesting.

[Venmar]

VOTE: sheep

[Doctor Drew]

Also

@Mod

I was hoping for more Francisco Lindor content when I subbed in.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: sheep

Is this for a reason or just to save yourself?

[Venmar]

Sheep looks the worst based on association with both Kitty and Bub tbh, think this slot flips scum more often than Sky or Malcolm

[Hu Tao]

Malcom sky or venmar for me

[Enchant]

VOTE: Sheep

[Kowahbunga]

I still scum read Gimli slot.

I would choose Malcolm to vote today out of the two the mason said if only because I feel like I owe Andante.

VOTE: Malcolm

[Enchant]

What you owe Andante

[Kowahbunga]

What you owe Andante

Andante wanted Malcolm and I used their approach to Malcolm as part of my case on them for being scum and so I'm going with Malcolm in Andante's honor.

[Enchant]

So you prefer to sheep Andante instead of mason who was already right?

[Kowahbunga]

So you prefer to sheep Andante instead of mason who was already right?

Mason gave two names, I'm choosing one of them because of this reason.

[Enchant]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh i am dumb

[furtiveglance]

Let's not rush things on my possible final day

[curiouskarmadog]

just because they are confirmed town doesnt mean they are right. Just means we dont have to question their motives.

at this point I dont like Venmar and there is something about OFR I dont like.

[furtiveglance]

just because they are confirmed town doesnt mean they are right. Just means we dont have to question their motives.

at this point I dont like Venmar and there is something about OFR I dont like.

I am YOUR SUPERIOR OFFICER

[curiouskarmadog]

okay, reading over previous notes. THERE IS NO NULL PILE!!! Just black and white.

TOWN pile
Furtive (mason)
Hu
Doctor D (1 shot BG)
NJAC (PR?)
Enchant
Sky/Star
sheep

SCUM pile
Vemar
Malcolm
Kowah
OFR

posts that I would like to remember.

HA!

bub is hard town imo

I can reassess on bub and

I don't remember much of his posting now,

other than I liked the way he was pushing carmadog and bbp early. I also felt when doing a proper re-read of the game,

you went from hard town to I dont remember much of his posting. That was a quick pivot. Also which part of the push on me did you like exactly? Like the part where he said I wasnt scum hunting and conveniently leaving out the posts where I was doing just that.

I also dont like how when OFR came in, he tried to divert from the Bub Wagon.

used a Day 5 case to demonstrate that Bub was town.

I disagree, I feel like we're not reading the same game. Especially D1 I feel like Bub would mostly pop in to voice his support for a different wagon between Andante, Hu, etc. I'm mostly going off of memory tbh but I've never found Bub's posting to be very "townie".

I ctrl+F'ed 'Bub' in your ISO, and Bub's wagon hopping seems to be a sticking point for you. Afaict, this is the primary reason you've been scumreading Bub this whole time, and the reasoning rings very hollow to me.

For clarity, Bub voted CKD, Hu Tao, Andante, and then finally KittyTacky.

I'm townreading Bub, because the reasoning behind each of these substantive votes were clear and made sense to me:

Spoiler: curiouskarmadog

AHH, I accidentally double posted!

curiouskarmadog

This is who I think is most scummy at the moment.

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

Why? None of their posts have seriously moved towards scumhunting. In fact, to the extent that they've expressed theories on how to scumhunt, they've done the opposite -- or even worse -- not followed through on what they promised/gave the illusion of doing. First:

It begins

Hello everyone

So right off the bat I'm somewhat suspicious of both Kawaii and Hu Tao here. This is admitedly somewhat weak because the game just started, but both of these posts are really fluffy, non-commital and not progressing the game. Now, is this progressing the game more than a random vote? I dunno, but the reason why "random" votes are a thing is to create an initial paper trail of some sort...they aren't really random, so it immediately puts the scum in a bit of a pick of whether or not to bus. So far, these posts are just the most flimsy, "hey I'm here but not actually advancing the game" kind of posts.

I'm, going to go ahead and VOTE: Hu Tao


Mainly because it was another post right after a fluff post by Kawaii. Kind of reads as scum thinking "okay, need to say something now to not look suspicious" while being non-comittal.

Also going to put a

finger of suspicion on Kawaii

for similar sorts of reasons, but I think it's very unlikely that both Kawaii and Hu are scum. No way a scum comes in right after their buddy to make an almost identical post.

Im sold.

However, Im going to

vote Kawaii

I hate finger of suspicions...its like getting credit for a vote without having to do anything. If Kawaii flips scum, this looks sketchy.

consider this my

finger of suspicion (any hypocrisy) on Bub

Earlier I asked why Kawaii and not Hsu? If they believed me, why not vote for Hsu? Sure it's early and essentially a random vote, but I asked for explanation directly in post #39 and got crickets. Like, the whole idea of starting a flimsy wagon at the beginning was to generate some conversation about what scummy behavior is...but there's no effort to actually discuss that behavior.

Second...

I vote Kowahbunga for town leader.

(attempt to make friends)

then

(tells some jokes)

fun. clearly cant be scum

there should be a sarcasm font.

Making some vague allusions to the idea that Andate is scummy with no follow-up or serious pursuit. Just trying to sow generally mistrust on people in low-cost ways is scummy. This makes me think Andate is town -- conditional on curiouskarmakitty being scum -- because this is way too weak to be a bus. Also, curiouskarmakitty themselves said that fingers of suspician are cheap because it's a way to get credit for suspecting folks without doing the work...but here they are doing something very similar. I know they were intentionally hypocritcal earlier for a laugh (I don't read that as scummy) but this seems actually hypocritcal in a way that would be beneficial for scum.

also lets get this wagon started...

more votes on me please, lets get an early wagon started for giggles and see what happens.

this Day 1 fluff business is done. The true hunting of scum happens on the wagons!!!!

The wagon's already going my friend. Maybe try actually scumhunting instead of saying that you're going to do it.

I'm happy with my vote.

for Bub
dont want to repost the huge wall that was 242.
however my question was simply this.

in my post 136, I ask why you decided to leave off my question to Hu Tao when you made your "CKD is scummy because he is not scum hunting case". you post all my other posts, but deliberately left that post out. I wanted to know why?

and you still actually havent answered that question. Why did you chose to leave that post out when you posted ALL of my other post to "prove" your point. Clearly you cherry picked post and that post did not fit into your narrative.

Sorry about the wallposting.

I didn't cherry pick -- I picked posts that were representative. Your question to Hsu doesn't go against the narrative, in fact it exemplifies it. You asked Hsu a banal and vague question that's unlikely to actually advance the game state. But you did it to make it look like you were scumhunting so you could point to it if and when accused of not scumhunting.

Look back at my post, I actually think I did myself a disservice by not quoting your question to Hsu in post #95 because it would have made my point stronger. It fed into my vibes that you were posting stuff that wans't meaningfully scumhunting but in the moment I was posting the other examples sprung more easily to mind.

I also did answer your question to me in post #242 but I guess you didn't like/notice my answer.

Spoiler: Hu Tao

At this point, I really dont know if you are scum or just laser focused on a wrong read. So we all know you are set on me being scum....what are your other Scum reads?

Right now, I feel like the stuff you've done is clearly the scummiest out of anyone. The weak, wishy-washy "scumhunting," overly defensive and reactive reaction to serious pressure, and the scummiest possible claim means that my scumread of you is stronger than anyone else.

Ballpoint seems like a likely scumbud with you. Hopped off the wagon as soon as it got serious and slid onto the Andate wagon for questionable reasons. Also, as other people have been saying, they post a lot without saying much. Just feels like they're trying to play it both ways -- get credit for being on their scumbud's wagon (in case you're eliminated).

Glitch was a scumread, but that was based on them promising content and not delivering. They've more or less delivered, so there's no particular reason to think they're scum. At this point they're a null read for me. In isolation their posts seem fairly townie, but the analysis could have just been in response to the pressure.

I'm somewhat suspicious of Stargazer and Hu at this point. Stargazer's just been a lurker. Their iso has got basically no content. Town do lurk all the time, so it's not that alignment indicated, but I don't want them to get away with it. Hu is a difficult read for me because I feel like I have some first impression bias, but maybe I'm overcorrecting? I started the wagon early on them for flimsy reasons for the purpose of generating some conversation, and my immediate read on their reaction was townie, more as a vibes thing. But recently they've been lurking. As soon as the serious pressure dropped off Hu receded into the background.

Honestly, the game should head more towards holding the least contributing person's toe to the fire. The more scum talk, the more caught they get imo

Yeah, I see the point. At the very least lurking is anti-town, so pressuring lurkers to contribute can help the town even if the lurker is town.

I still think that Hu is scummier than Stargazer because I think their lurking reads as more strategic.

Still prefer a Hu lim here as they've been more actively scummy I feel. NJAC reads as just more of a lurker/low activity player. Hu's pattern of activity reads to me as more alignment indicative while limming NJAC feels more like a policy lim than anything.

What you think is "wagon hopping" I think was genuine belief that these people were scum. I think if you cared to look at the reasoning why Bub made these vote changes, you would see a clear trajectory behind why he scumread these people. Instead, I think your scumread here is fairly lazy and doesn't demonstrate intent to understand people's reads.

I also gleaned that day 1 last a month; voting four people isn't a lot at all for an absurdly long time, and anyone would want to move their vote to end the day when day drags on like that. Andante was a compromise vote to end the day.

Evidence of Bub wanting to end the day:

I'd be down on a flash wagon on Bub if it means we end this goddman day.

(btw don't see scum saying this)

btw, there were also many wagons Bub was vocally opposed to: Cephrir (aka me), NJAC, Glitch/Enchant, Skygazer (just look at VCs).

I asked him about it, but when I show he was cherry picking and I picked out the flaws in his case, just kept saying he felt like he was town motivated.

only jumped on when had too

[curiouskarmadog]

I am going here today.

VOTE: Venmar

if I HAD to pick one of the mason's choice it would be Malcom.

but I want more pressure on Venmar.

that being if OFR is scum, Venmar was the counterwagon for him to Bub yesterday.

[curiouskarmadog]

also why did scum have someone who was bulletproof?!?!

[furtiveglance]

also why did scum have someone who was bulletproof?!?!

To counter the Werewolves who flip as Masons

[Hu Tao]

also why did scum have someone who was bulletproof?!?!

No clue, vig could be holding I guess

[Skygazer]

VOTE: malcolm

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