Mini 2297 | Conception | Postgame

[furtiveglance]

I'm making a purely mechanical point, that for me to be scum in Hugir's world, I would have to specifically be a Roleblocker, which is very unlikely probability-wise. I should be soft clear. And yet both of you are doing mental gymnastics to try and implicate me.

[Hugir]

Also ngl I knew I was gonna have all the thrill all over me once I claim. Redirector is actually a very spicy role when they’re not in a setup with multiple of them, a bus driver, and two poisoners after all.

[furtiveglance]

It's baffling that my role doesn't make sense as a scum one, and these people are just chucking everything out the window to decide that I'm a scum roleblocker, when I should be soft clear for not doing the nightkill N1 or I would have died.

Make it make sense

Why would you have died?

As in scum redirected to scum kill themselves

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Hugir

But why?

this is not a partnery interaction between keeper/AD imo. Could it be AD defending Hugir?

Ahhh...could AD-Hugir stuff be Red Scum distancing?

[Flavor Leaf]

It's baffling that my role doesn't make sense as a scum one, and these people are just chucking everything out the window to decide that I'm a scum roleblocker, when I should be soft clear for not doing the nightkill N1 or I would have died.

Make it make sense

Why would you have died?

As in scum redirected to scum kill themselves

Oh, I'm nearly fully on board with Hugir as scum at this point, so I'm not taking too much stock into their ability.

[Flavor Leaf]

But I always do this with Hugir, so I'm also torn between believing it or not.

[Hugir]

Like it’s not even a mental gymnastic. It’s just a simple deduction. Who and what role would prevent me from redirecting Feysal to self?

[Hugir]

Like yes.
I went all crazy about FL-nexus-lying in Demon Slayer.
But that was with unfinished claims.
I really don’t think I’m repeating the same thing here.

[Hugir]

VOTE: Hugir

But why?

this is not a partnery interaction between keeper/AD imo. Could it be AD defending Hugir?

Ahhh...could AD-Hugir stuff be Red Scum distancing?

If I was scum with AD bussing, I fully deserve a Kodak moment nom for D4.

[furtiveglance]

Like it’s not even a mental gymnastic. It’s just a simple deduction. Who and what role would prevent me from redirecting Feysal to self?

Right, but you've started from me being scum and made it make sense somehow, instead of looking at the most likely scenario and then going from there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Green Scum had no reason to kill Enchant. They were no longer a threat. The double kill possibility? Sure, but I don't buy it because Red NEEDED to kill Enchant, so Green had a pass to go elsewhere.

So it's either switching kills or blocked.

Once I get to work, I'll find some time to do some VCA/Theory Spec.


@Hugir - If you're scum, you're doing well simply because tone wise, I believe you. My issue is I just don't see Keeper or Feysal as scum here ever. They seem genuine, and ActionDan-Keeper interactions looking back is funny.

[Hugir]

Like it’s not even a mental gymnastic. It’s just a simple deduction. Who and what role would prevent me from redirecting Feysal to self?

Right, but you've started from me being scum and made it make sense somehow, instead of looking at the most likely scenario and then going from there.

Actually I did my thing correctly this time.

1. My action was prevented. What’s going on?
1a. Feysal is strongwilled and lying.
1b. Someone interfered.
- I chose 1b.

2. What role was most likely to stop me?
- I chose “Roleblocker”

3. Which faction is more likely to roleblock me?
- I chose “Green scum.” Red scum were clearly afraid of me.

3. From The Keeper, Flavor Leaf, and furtiveglance, who is more likely to be roleblocker?
- I chose furtive.

After that was me scenario-checking to see if there were any scenario that proves otherwise.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Furtive - Did Enchant know that it was you they were loverized to when they were told they were loverized? Or did they just get informed they were loverized?

[Hugir]

Green Scum had no reason to kill Enchant. They were no longer a threat. The double kill possibility? Sure, but I don't buy it because Red NEEDED to kill Enchant, so Green had a pass to go elsewhere.

So it's either switching kills or blocked.

Once I get to work, I'll find some time to do some VCA/Theory Spec.


@Hugir - If you're scum, you're doing well simply because tone wise, I believe you. My issue is I just don't see Keeper or Feysal as scum here ever. They seem genuine, and ActionDan-Keeper interactions looking back is funny.

So this is what ultimately makes me think The Keeper is scum. Ever since I saw Rauth openly scumreading them and magically there was a half-clear result on them, I kept being awry on them. And then during D3, they were those one read that everyone scumreads and yet no one would vote them. But that could’ve been due to their V/LA. The last straw for me was, however, was that The Keeper’s reason to want to lim Abnegation was plain awful. Their reason was “miller needs to die before ELo.” Like no reads on Abnegation. Just plain “miller needs death.” Out of the Abnegation wagon their opinion of her was most ingenuine one of all. It gave me the “as long as it ain’t me” vibe. (Ngl I had a teeeeeeny bit of that mindset when I hammered Abnegation. But that was because I had a role that could salvage town. And just by my presence, I believe that I stopped two scum kills.)

[Hugir]

To clarify, I was being awry because they got half cleared to be not green scum, after green scum voiced out his suspicion on them.

[Flavor Leaf]

I see the case on Keeper. I just can also see them doing all that as town.

Thing is, the Keeper announce is confirmed to be a role doing, and the only non confirmed possible role to be able to do it is Hugir’s Redirect. I would expect scum to get something out of doing it if Green Scum.

But i think it’s fairly close to certain scum have extra factional abilities. Occam’s Razor is that it switches.

I think Rauth’s role directly implies it as well because i don’t think it makes sense to “Check” if your action went through on a kill with the setup.

The Flyer Vendor is actually a really cool role in the setup thanks to roleblock/redirect/anti redirect possibilities.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hugir, why am I not an option for you here?

[Hugir]

Hugir, why am I not an option for you here?

You’re my locktown read.

[Flavor Leaf]

Here’s my thing, why does Enchant die in a Green Scum Roleblocking world?

[Hugir]

I say that but I’ve been actually looking back and forth. I still don’t see you as scum.

[Hugir]

Here’s my thing, why does Enchant die in a Green Scum Roleblocking world?

Because Enchant will know that they’ve been blocked? Introducing a variable is something green roleblocker wouldn’t want to do. I also think they didn’t expect me to redirect Feysal, my claimed townread.

[Hugir]

Hugir, why am I not an option for you here?

You’re my locktown read.

If you end up being scum after mindmelding on Abnegation in D3, I’m going to be fucking devastated.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay then.

I think Furt fade today, then you Redirect Keeper to Keeper.

If Keeper/Furt are both scum, that just is a win, right?

That also would out you if you were scum. And Feysal or Myself died.

[Hugir]

Actually what’s gonna happen is perpetual MeLo because scum won’t kill. But I’m prob gonna end up voting furt because roleblocker is a threat over a neighbor

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m okay going tomorrow with 4 alive.

If that happens, we just fight it out.