TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Game Over!

[Adorable]

I literally cannot understand what Adorable is saying anymroe (as in where they are coming from) and am going to just ignore the slot until PoE dictates otherwise

*words words wordds*

"my role is mislim bait*






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Here's another reason why I don't like Fate. Feels like scum is trying to downplay my ability.

[Radical Rat]

How is disagreeing that it's just mislim bait DOWNplaying your ability? If anything that's up-playing it???

[Jingle]

Not Adorable's role, her ability as a player.

[Radical Rat]

Oh. Yeah, okay that makes more sense.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeahhh. Have not liked Fate's tone this entire game tbh but that's not exactly a lim-worthy thing.

[Fate]

I'm actually 50% less asshole that before, ymmv, because yeah reading Adorable and HPEs posts is like putting my eyeballs through a blender

[Fate]

Your play has not impressed me one bit Adorable, nor have you had a single meaningful contribution to town.

I await with much anticipation being proven otherwise, but again putting this as nicely as possible I hope you're competent enough to bodyguard and die before endgame

[Fate]

I mean you've even called yourself low hanging fruit, so if you had a different role you'd essentially be mislim fodder. God knows j would've voted you in melo just for sanity.

But again, enough meanness for one day. Take this as tough love to improve at the game

[Fate]

Really not a good time for the thread to quiet

>.> Making me self conscious here

[Jingle]

Hey cerb, feel free to keep going anytime.

[Fate]

Scums given up so

Ending the day is fine, only other thing left again is I encourage everyone to think about why CSF died

[Jingle]

I have one more post I want to make, but if I don't get around to it by tomorrow I'll just revote and hope.

[Cerberus v666]

Hey cerb, feel free to keep going anytime.

Oh I am, I just forgot how much work actually going through ISO's that are wordy+lengthy is and ran out of time yesterday, about halfway through peta's ISO.

[petapan]

powers for cerb in a vacuum are more useful for scum than town

however analyzing games that way is very likely to result in a lot of losses because mods will give scummy sounding roles to town so i'm unconvinced

by that particular reason

- i was stuck with a role in hollow knight where the abilities were all near useless for town but would have had incredible pro-scum utility. i was still town, and i got heat because all i could do was trueclaim my role.

it could be that cerb is scum who stepped on a rake and had no ideas so he just claimed his role without changing things but i wouldn't be sure it's the only possibility yet

i still need to give people a proper reread when i have time

I agree that cerb having a vanilla cop as town isn’t impossible. It could be designed to soft clear vts due to the rather large probability of double scum prs.

My suspicion is far more fueled by how he used or claimed to use it than that he claimed VC.

fair enough

[Cerberus v666]

Well I don't think I can quote mod communication so I'm paraphrasing

It didn't say explicitly my action resolved or went through

But it said that I didn't detect any paranormal activity

Which is different than the 'no result's I'd expect if I was RBd or something


Does your role stop bodyguards and town actions and everything also?

Fate, have you explicitly asked SC what response you would get if you were roleblocked when you investigated someone?

Because I know I didn't RB last night(a blind RB(even on a softed PR) isn't even something scum!me would do, but there's no reason you would believe that), and that means unless there's a scum RB as well, your ability should have been blocked by RR's power.

Which means in the case where you're both town and RR was not blocked or otherwise interfered with, YOU are misreading or misinterpreting or mis'something'ing your results.

Hell, do you even know how your ability works? Is it effectively a motion detector for specifically paranormal activity? Is it a cop for flavor/roles that are related to paranormal activity? Is it only a watcher, or only a tracker, for again, paranormal activities? Do you have answers to any of these questions?

I get that you and others suspect me for play on D1 and disagree with my NA choice, but if the nail in my coffin, as it were, is you misunderstanding how your role works and you refuse to go get informed, I don't see sufficient reason to continue spending hours going through ISO's and so on and will just read through this day and update things in a half-assed(to me) fashion and we can go from there.

I also have a comment about the power level evaluation of this game - rolestopper is, in my opinion, explicitly used in place of a doctor in circumstances under which the mod wants to allow "follow the cop" type play, while causing the rolestopper to have some degree of NU for the town prior to mass claim/action coordination occurring, as they can interfere with the other PR's. That innately decreases the power level of the entire town. if I, Fate, CSF, or HPE(if they end up with tracker as they claim they did) target the same person as RR, that night action is also wasted, and the trackers power and my powers can't just be tried again the next night, so the loss is significant. If Adorable targets the same person, then she doesn't die despite claiming an action that should have saved someone else, and the slot becomes mislim bait at worst, and is forced to out itself in a non-mass claim world at least.

I'm going to go back to working on Peta's thing while also interspersing doing so with enjoying my life so I don't burn out.

[Radical Rat]

At the end there you suggest Adorable would be mislimmed for not saving her target, but her target wouldn't be dead either in that case.

[Cerberus v666]

At the end there you suggest Adorable would be mislimmed for not saving her target, but her target wouldn't be dead either in that case.

That is true! I suppose she doesn't become mislim bait in that case since you'd saved the person, and since you saved them she would have no idea what happened and wouldn't out herself.

Fair points.

[Radical Rat]

It's only really an issue if she'd been tracked, which... hopefully isn't a situation that happens, but we've got a loose degree of coordination going now at least so it should be fine

[Fate]

Your coffin was sealed before any of the me and RR role interactions or nonsense happened, so it's not really a point worth defending about.

I get that it's frustrating to be limmed when you as scum know the real reason behind why RR and and mine results are what they are

[Fate]

Of Cerb is somehow town adorable isnt the worse choice of track targets

[Cerberus v666]

Your coffin was sealed before any of the me and RR role interactions or nonsense happened, so it's not really a point worth defending about.

I get that it's frustrating to be limmed when you as scum know the real reason behind why RR and and mine results are what they are

So to clarify, you are refusing to ask the mod how your role actually works/what your results would look like under different circumstances? Or you know, and you're refusing to elaborate?

[Radical Rat]

Fate already asked. Did you see the post where I compiled the relevant interaction?

[Radical Rat]

Spoiler:

I'm Luigi, Ghost Hunter

I can detect if paranormal activity happens around a target. None happened around Cerberus last night

Therefore RR is at the very least not Ghost.


WHICH IM GUESSING means the scumteam is King Boo and Bowser. Would be very surprised if not the case, so my role is either a red herring useless thing or confirms non ghosts.


So yeah

Do your dirty thing Jingle. I expect great things, it's not for everyone I pass up an opportunity to fake claim as town

When you say "nothing happened" does that mean you received an affirmative result that there was no activity?

I was confirmed my action resolved and that I did not detect any paranormal activity

Then something's gone wrong somewhere, or you're lying

Me targeting Cerb means no one should have resolved any other actions on him

Well I don't think I can quote mod communication so I'm paraphrasing

It didn't say explicitly my action resolved or went through

But it said that I didn't detect any paranormal activity

Which is different than the 'no result's I'd expect if I was RBd or something


Does your role stop bodyguards and town actions and everything also?

Watcher usually resolves last so it can y'know watch things

So maybe you resolve right before me to stop everything above the chain

It says all actions targeting the player, so I assume that includes Town, yes.

I also believe that a proper negative result should be distinct from a no result.

But that's something you'll have to ask Cakez about

K I'll pm him, but RR I don't know what shenanigans are around but don't 1v1 me or anything drastic while I'm vla ok

Like I don't think as scum you'd out yourself in this way to 1v1 me, and since I got to go last as scum my fakeclaim would be solid LIKE CERBERUS HERE WHO CLAIMED AFTER ADORABLE

I'm not 1v1ing anything yet

If anything my instinct here is actually to look at Cerb...

Mod confirmed my action went through

VOTE: Cerberus I'll leave this here

Here's the full interaction from Fate claiming the result to claiming to have confirmed with the mod.

The first post is interpreting the result as a soft inno on me, which means Fate did see where I claimed to have targeted you, and chose to claim results anyway.
The questioning around resolution order or if I only block scum actions is strange, but seems to come from a place of genuinely figuring out why they have results.
Me telling them to ask directly about whether they'd receive the same message if blocked was an opportunity for Fate to back down from the conflict, and they did the opposite.

Unless Fate has a history of just pulling this kind of thing out of their ass, I'm not seeing this as a possible lying Town situation. Either Fate is telling the truth, which is how it looks to me, or Fate's lying as scum.

This one

[Fate]

Actually the other thing to do which is preemptive but looking at how Cerbs wagon built and reactions to his claim will help find his buddy

[Cerberus v666]

Spoiler:

I'm Luigi, Ghost Hunter

I can detect if paranormal activity happens around a target. None happened around Cerberus last night

Therefore RR is at the very least not Ghost.


WHICH IM GUESSING means the scumteam is King Boo and Bowser. Would be very surprised if not the case, so my role is either a red herring useless thing or confirms non ghosts.


So yeah

Do your dirty thing Jingle. I expect great things, it's not for everyone I pass up an opportunity to fake claim as town

When you say "nothing happened" does that mean you received an affirmative result that there was no activity?

I was confirmed my action resolved and that I did not detect any paranormal activity

Then something's gone wrong somewhere, or you're lying

Me targeting Cerb means no one should have resolved any other actions on him

Well I don't think I can quote mod communication so I'm paraphrasing

It didn't say explicitly my action resolved or went through

But it said that I didn't detect any paranormal activity

Which is different than the 'no result's I'd expect if I was RBd or something


Does your role stop bodyguards and town actions and everything also?

Watcher usually resolves last so it can y'know watch things

So maybe you resolve right before me to stop everything above the chain

It says all actions targeting the player, so I assume that includes Town, yes.

I also believe that a proper negative result should be distinct from a no result.

But that's something you'll have to ask Cakez about

K I'll pm him, but RR I don't know what shenanigans are around but don't 1v1 me or anything drastic while I'm vla ok

Like I don't think as scum you'd out yourself in this way to 1v1 me, and since I got to go last as scum my fakeclaim would be solid LIKE CERBERUS HERE WHO CLAIMED AFTER ADORABLE

I'm not 1v1ing anything yet

If anything my instinct here is actually to look at Cerb...

Mod confirmed my action went through

VOTE: Cerberus I'll leave this here

Here's the full interaction from Fate claiming the result to claiming to have confirmed with the mod.

The first post is interpreting the result as a soft inno on me, which means Fate did see where I claimed to have targeted you, and chose to claim results anyway.
The questioning around resolution order or if I only block scum actions is strange, but seems to come from a place of genuinely figuring out why they have results.
Me telling them to ask directly about whether they'd receive the same message if blocked was an opportunity for Fate to back down from the conflict, and they did the opposite.

Unless Fate has a history of just pulling this kind of thing out of their ass, I'm not seeing this as a possible lying Town situation. Either Fate is telling the truth, which is how it looks to me, or Fate's lying as scum.

This one

At no point in that does Fate actually ask the specific question that I requested he ask. It seems unlikely that he's a "paranormal cop", but it is unclear if he's a paranormal motion detector, or a paranormal watcher vs tracker. Like, I don't think any of those things are actually relevant except for asking what his results would be if he were roleblocked, but they ARE important things he should want to know.

I'm actually fairly certain that, barring scum RB'ing you RR, Fate is 100% lying about their role and/or action and claimed the results that would directly implicate me because of my RB claim.

I'm also pretty sure he does that as town more often than he does so as scum. *shrug*