TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Game Over!

[Jingle]

I don't particularly think cerbs not vanilla copping a player who had already claimed is farfetched, fwiw.

[SirCakez]

Votecount 2.2

Cerberus v666 (2) - Fate, Jingle

Not voting (6) - wgeurts, Petapan, Adorable, Radical Rat, HighPrincessErinys, Cerberus v666

Powerup Votes

HighPrincessErinys (6) - HighPrincessErinys, Jingle, Adorable, Radical Rat, Fate, petapan

Not Voting (2) - wgeurts, Cerberus v666

(expired on 2023-05-08 13:31:00) remain until day end

Fate is V/LA through Sunday April 30.

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.

[SirCakez]

HighPrincessErinys has been voted to received the Tanooki Suit!

[wgeurts]

Alright, I am genuinely back now and reading. To provide context for people what was going on, I have chronic headaches and chest pain which flares up at times and dealing with that, life, and mafia sometimes just cost too much of me. I then also had an unfortunate three shifts of work during a national holiday and school break which were killing. I'm going to be honest, I have no idea what has happened these last 20-30 pages. I skimmed and saw Jingle holding me as a town bloc which is wild enough, and we appear to have made HPE 1-shot bulletproof too.

Can someone give me the very quick rundown of things? Before I reread the whole game with the information we now have. I got pinged to massclaim and saw others were too so I did, if there's a list of who claims what I'd like that and any notes on what we now know?

[wgeurts]

I'm also going to admit I wasn't fully 100% aware what was going on towards the end of Day 1 when things started popping up for me and I was incredibly frustrated. As I've had the chance to step away I want to approach things with fresh eyes.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Cerberus v666

Me - DK, Rolestopper. Targeted Cerb last night.
Cerb - Mario, JOAT with Bulletproof/Roleblocker/Vanilla Cop. Claims to have a not Vanilla result on Adorable
Adorable - Peach, Loved Bodyguard
HPE - Daisy, Universal Backup, now Even-night Tracker
Fate - Luigi, Ghost Hunter, detects "paranormal activity. Claims a negative result on Cerb
Everyone else - Toad, VT


And then we gave HPE the commute shot to protect the Tracker shot from interference tonight.

Notably, Fate's claim of receiving a result and my claim of targeting Cerb are incompatible. I townread Fate for now though, so I suspect I was interfered with instead. And the overwhelming amount of Town power claimed makes the idea that all of us are Town unlikely. My guess is that Cerb is probably at least mostly telling the truth about his role, but lied about using the vanilla cop, and roleblocked me instead. Adorable had already claimed by the time Cerb did, in addition to a degree of softing prior, so it's an easy lie to tell

[wgeurts]

Fate is town, that's not negotiable. Thanks for the info.

[Adorable]

GIF thinks there's one scum in the vt claim that got a fake vt role pm and says scum could have easily got screwed over if they did not know that all vt are Toads. When scum gets a fake vt role pm normally they are goon or scum-only role. GIF thinks there's a strongman and this is why he thinks there's a scum in a vt claim.

[Jingle]

So GIF’s proposed setup is

3vt
Rolestopper
Bodyguard
Even tracker
UB
Luigi

V

Goon and full Sman?

And town gets a public rolestop and something else on top of that?

I agree that scum probably had a toad pm to look at, but there’s no way all of that power and the extra mislim that this being a ten player gives us. Also, full sman goon doesn’t at all explain the mechanical break of rolestopper and Luigi cross targeting.

[Radical Rat]

Scum must have a roleblocker or redirector of some kind, unless you believe Fate to be scum.

I do not believe Fate to be scum, so that setup doesn't work for me.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Scum must have a roleblocker or redirector of some kind, unless you believe Fate to be scum.

I do not believe Fate to be scum, so that setup doesn't work for me.

This is not a gotcha but it IS funny to me you'd openly say this when the question is kinda "Is it RR or Fate?". Either way it's not technically unfeasible you were roleblocked and that there's another roleblocking role in the setup, but this one also just

does not

like the vibes of the situation surrounding you and Fate's claimed actions. There is a very realistic chance you're scum here.
VOTE: Radical Rat

[HighPrincessErinys]

Will admit that Cerb is kind of a head scratcher due to Vanilla Cop being a. Bad investigative here. But this one does believe that he investigated Adorable last night.

[Adorable]

So GIF’s proposed setup is

3vt
Rolestopper
Bodyguard
Even tracker
UB
Luigi

V

Goon and full Sman?

And town gets a public rolestop and something else on top of that?

I agree that scum probably had a toad pm to look at, but there’s no way all of that power and the extra mislim that this being a ten player gives us. Also, full sman goon doesn’t at all explain the mechanical break of rolestopper and Luigi cross targeting.

You misunderstood GIF. I paraphrased yesterday he thinks the scum team is Cerb/vt claim and I didn't paraphrase the setup on what GIF suspected. This is what he thinks the setup is.

VT x 3
Loved Bodyguard
Even night Tracker
A Motion Detector of some sort
Universal Backup
Rolestopper

vs

JoaT
1-shot Strongman

[wgeurts]

I'm not caught up fully yet, just asking quickly, did you guys verify the loved status of adorable? If yes I'm treating them as confirmed town for all effective purposes.

[Jingle]

Yes, adorable is actually loved.

[Jingle]

She is conftown until XLO.

[Jingle]

So GIF’s proposed setup is

3vt
Rolestopper
Bodyguard
Even tracker
UB
Luigi

V

Goon and full Sman?

And town gets a public rolestop and something else on top of that?

I agree that scum probably had a toad pm to look at, but there’s no way all of that power and the extra mislim that this being a ten player gives us. Also, full sman goon doesn’t at all explain the mechanical break of rolestopper and Luigi cross targeting.

You misunderstood GIF. I paraphrased yesterday he thinks the scum team is Cerb/vt claim and I didn't paraphrase the setup on what GIF suspected. This is what he thinks the setup is.

VT x 3
Loved Bodyguard
Even night Tracker
A Motion Detector of some sort
Universal Backup
Rolestopper

vs

JoaT
1-shot Strongman

That is more reasonable, but we also have at least one useful power up.

[wgeurts]

She is conftown until XLO.

Agreed. Working through the possible associative tells by working my way through the entire game from start instead of just carrying on from where I left off.

Peta and Adorable I'm going to treat as town bloc.

I need to re-verify my impression, but Fate yelling at people to shut up about the entire Toad thing late Day 1 just screamed town in my eyes alongside some other points.

[wgeurts]

Quick question as I have yet to read Day 2, has Cerb given any significant input beyond the mechanical? I'm talking, this is the board state right now and we're doing this type of rhetoric. I need to be seeing that from them.

[Jingle]

Cerb fought against claiming and peaced. He’s done basically nothing since.

[wgeurts]

Cerb fought against claiming and peaced. He’s done basically nothing since.

Consider my vote on them then, this is unmotivated scum cerb if so and he should be held against the edge of a cliff until he spits content or gives up.

[wgeurts]

God I hate everything about HPE's early posts still and it makes my skin crawl, going to have to use my utmost restraint to try and give that slot the benefit of the doubt.

[Jingle]

If HPE scum the lack of reasonable results will be way more telling than anything D1. Your case was all play style.

[wgeurts]

If HPE scum the lack of reasonable results will be way more telling than anything D1. Your case was all play style.

I am really tempted to yell about the last sentence but I'm going to refrain... for now.

[Radical Rat]

Scum must have a roleblocker or redirector of some kind, unless you believe Fate to be scum.

I do not believe Fate to be scum, so that setup doesn't work for me.

This is not a gotcha but it IS funny to me you'd openly say this when the question is kinda "Is it RR or Fate?". Either way it's not technically unfeasible you were roleblocked and that there's another roleblocking role in the setup, but this one also just

does not

like the vibes of the situation surrounding you and Fate's claimed actions. There is a very realistic chance you're scum here.
VOTE: Radical Rat

If Fate's scum, they're PROBABLY not going to make the claim that they did unless they wanted to force the 1v1.

If I'm scum, I'm a lot more stubborn about taking that power up, and I wouldn't make such an easily falsifiable claim.

Cerb has claimed to have two roles that vastly benefit scum over Town (roleblocker and Vanilla Cop), and while BP is an odd singleball scum power, there IS another power up coming tomorrow, and my money's on a vig shot. On top of that, his alleged target was questionable given Adorable had already not super subtly softed some kind of PR, yet stated he'd interpret a vanilla result as Town if it happened.

I cannot fathom what you're seeing that makes you blindly trust his result.