In post 1150, Jingle wrote:
also, which VT? This is potentially important.
the same flavor as the one we killed day 1
This is a scumclaim. You were JUST talking about how you thought Porkens claim was incredibly suspicious, but Mafia wouldn't have had any way to know Toad VTs were a thing, and you existing confirms they exist, which SHOULD have cleared Porkens for you.
But before that we need the power up sorted, and I want it. Reasons to follow.
Maybe the real Mafia was the friends we made along the way
In post 1177, Radical Rat wrote:
This is a scumclaim. You were JUST talking about how you thought Porkens claim was incredibly suspicious, but Mafia wouldn't have had any way to know Toad VTs were a thing, and you existing confirms they exist, which SHOULD have cleared Porkens for you.
I was trying to slowroll that, but yes, the sequence is super sus.
In post 1125, petapan wrote:
the possibility crossed my mind that it was an intentional misdirect on the part of the mod but also porkens wasn't playing the game and killing players like that is +EV
This post does not come from someone who is also a Toad.
Maybe the real Mafia was the friends we made along the way
I'm Donkey Kong, and I'm a rolestopper. Basically a reverse roleblocker if you're not familiar. If I also can block things on myself, I cannot be interfered with and that guarantees that two of us (myself, and my target) are fully protected for at least one night.
VOTE: Power up: Radical Rat
Maybe the real Mafia was the friends we made along the way
Hmmm. Presumably cerbs softed that you blocked him last night, which means you don't out your target until after he's claimed his. This setup is very interesting.
Cerb is softing that he has a conditional result, thus would like time to figure out what it means. A role that should get a result but didn't would make sense in that context.
In post 1185, Jingle wrote:
Cerb is softing that he has a conditional result, thus would like time to figure out what it means. A role that should get a result but didn't would make sense in that context.
Fair enough. Either way, he needs to claim sooner rather than later
Maybe the real Mafia was the friends we made along the way
In post 1185, Jingle wrote:
Cerb is softing that he has a conditional result, thus would like time to figure out what it means. A role that should get a result but didn't would make sense in that context.
Yep.
My investigative is a vanilla cop, and it returned that Adorable *wasn't* vanilla, which meant it didn't clear her for probtown(since it's unlikely a goon exists here with the starting numbers.)
Since Adorable went ahead and claimed, however, if she's telling the truth there's no longer any value in concealing the result.
In post 1150, Jingle wrote:
also, which VT? This is potentially important.
the same flavor as the one we killed day 1
This is a scumclaim. You were JUST talking about how you thought Porkens claim was incredibly suspicious, but Mafia wouldn't have had any way to know Toad VTs were a thing, and you existing confirms they exist, which SHOULD have cleared Porkens for you.
But before that we need the power up sorted, and I want it. Reasons to follow.
no?
1. generally speaking when someone claims your flavor that is suspicious
like do you think the first impulse is going to be to go "NO WAIT I AM ALSO A VT WHO IS TOAD THIS MAN IS TOWN"? that would both be bad gameplay in terms of broadcasting my role but also would likely convince more people to follow the vote
2. scum could easily have been given that information as well. it wouldn't be remotely clearing. i'd
expect
cakez to do that because he's not a bad mod and having a bunch of VTs cross confirming each other via flavor claims would be laughably terrible modding
In post 1125, petapan wrote:
the possibility crossed my mind that it was an intentional misdirect on the part of the mod but also porkens wasn't playing the game and killing players like that is +EV
This post does not come from someone who is also a Toad.
how about the part where i voted him immediately after the flavor claim
In post 1125, petapan wrote:
the possibility crossed my mind that it was an intentional misdirect on the part of the mod but also porkens wasn't playing the game and killing players like that is +EV
This post does not come from someone who is also a Toad.
how about the part where i voted him immediately after the flavor claim
I hadn't gone back to check that yet, but yes that's really bad too
Maybe the real Mafia was the friends we made along the way
In post 1125, petapan wrote:
the possibility crossed my mind that it was an intentional misdirect on the part of the mod but also porkens wasn't playing the game and killing players like that is +EV
This post does not come from someone who is also a Toad.
how about the part where i voted him immediately after the flavor claim
I hadn't gone back to check that yet, but yes that's really bad too
Your flavor is generic AND a vanilla role, which are usually interchangeable. It makes absolutely no sense to be suspicious if someone matches your vanilla claim unless it's an actual unique character, which neither Toad nor Goomba are.
It also makes no sense to assume scum would be informed about all of the possible flavors that exist, and the thing with Townies cross confirming each other only actually works once, and even then it's contingent on what the distribution actually is.
Maybe if the claim happened D2 instead of D1 an argument could be made for a role and/or flavor cop... but with all of the information we had, Porkens claim should have AT LEAST given you pause, if not 100% cleared him.
Maybe the real Mafia was the friends we made along the way
In post 1197, Radical Rat wrote:
Your flavor is generic AND a vanilla role, which are usually interchangeable. It makes absolutely no sense to be suspicious if someone matches your vanilla claim unless it's an actual unique character, which neither Toad nor Goomba are.
It also makes no sense to assume scum would be informed about all of the possible flavors that exist, and the thing with Townies cross confirming each other only actually works once, and even then it's contingent on what the distribution actually is.
Maybe if the claim happened D2 instead of D1 an argument could be made for a role and/or flavor cop... but with all of the information we had, Porkens claim should have AT LEAST given you pause, if not 100% cleared him.
no, because the idea that VTs could confirm each other by their flavor
would be horrifically bad game design
i'm done talking to you, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about
