the possibility crossed my mind that it was an intentional misdirect on the part of the mod but also porkens wasn't playing the game and killing players like that is +EV
In post 1109, Cerberus v666 wrote:
If nothing in the game occurs to prompt me doing so sooner, I'll likely share in ~96 hours, to see if there's anything more that can be gleaned from the information I have.
You mean like the game mechanic that says "Hey, it's important that you out any useful results before 48 hours so that we can use those results in deciding who is a commute tonight?"
Given multiple different VT flavors, and multiple instances of at least one VT flavor, there is a chance that we can imply scum pools based on symmetry.
In post 1130, petapan wrote:
do you think i'd pocket them with an unexplained read with "no progression"?
Yes
how is that supposed to work, exactly?
"hey RR, i think you're town now. no i will not explain why"
"ah i see and accept this you are towncored my brother"
do you think that's realistic? do you often see scum doing that?
I don't remember if I've seen or not. I do remember scum players having bad progression on a read they had from town to scum or scum players picking on a player scum reading them for a post that never happened.
In post 1130, petapan wrote:
do you think i'd pocket them with an unexplained read with "no progression"?
Yes
how is that supposed to work, exactly?
"hey RR, i think you're town now. no i will not explain why"
"ah i see and accept this you are towncored my brother"
do you think that's realistic? do you often see scum doing that?
I don't remember if I've seen or not. I do remember scum players having bad progression on a read they had from town to scum or scum players picking on a player scum reading them for a post that never happened.
right, i think sometimes scum have bad progressions when they need to eliminate a townie and have to come up with poor excuses for it. i think that's a valid line of thought because opportunism is a decently reliable tell.
the thing is that the opposite (scum shifting a read to town for no particular reason) happens less often in my experience. so what you're throwing at me is a fairly generic argument that doesn't actually provide a fully formed thought as to why my read shifting makes me scum.
In post 1109, Cerberus v666 wrote:
If nothing in the game occurs to prompt me doing so sooner, I'll likely share in ~96 hours, to see if there's anything more that can be gleaned from the information I have.
You mean like the game mechanic that says "Hey, it's important that you out any useful results before 48 hours so that we can use those results in deciding who is a commute tonight?"
Massclaim today.
I'd prefer to see how both these things are handled organically, without information, for *at least* some amount of time.
In post 1130, petapan wrote:
do you think i'd pocket them with an unexplained read with "no progression"?
Yes
how is that supposed to work, exactly?
"hey RR, i think you're town now. no i will not explain why"
"ah i see and accept this you are towncored my brother"
do you think that's realistic? do you often see scum doing that?
I don't remember if I've seen or not. I do remember scum players having bad progression on a read they had from town to scum or scum players picking on a player scum reading them for a post that never happened.
right, i think sometimes scum have bad progressions when they need to eliminate a townie and have to come up with poor excuses for it. i think that's a valid line of thought because opportunism is a decently reliable tell.
the thing is that the opposite (scum shifting a read to town for no particular reason) happens less often in my experience. so what you're throwing at me is a fairly generic argument that doesn't actually provide a fully formed thought as to why my read shifting makes me scum.
That's what you're doing to me. You put me as town to then voting me and there was no progression with your read on me.
In post 1138, Cerberus v666 wrote:
I'd prefer to see how both these things are handled organically, without information, for *at least* some amount of time.
No.
We have 48 hours to assign a commute. We are outing results ASAP.
Sorry that you're in a game where your desire is stupid.
In post 1135, Jingle wrote:
Given multiple different VT flavors, and multiple instances of at least one VT flavor, there is a chance that we can imply scum pools based on symmetry.
I'm a todd.
Somehow it didn't even occur to me to unvote and attempt to verify the claim before allowing a hammer to happen, and now I'm feeling very silly
Maybe the real Mafia was the friends we made along the way
In post 1140, Jingle wrote:
Sorry that you're in a game where your desire is stupid.
Sorry, this is rude.
But no. You claimed JOAT to live a day at E-1, claimed to have a protective role, and then lived to D2. You have absolutely no towncred to burn here to delay claiming. There is explicitly a GIANT reason that we should get claims in the open fast, and kicking our heels and going slow is a fucking awful idea. We just had a PR soft and a PR flip in a game with a higher than standard T:S ratio and a public assignment PR mechanic, you're in a pretty fucking suspicious position regardless. If you have useful results, out them now.
In post 1142, Radical Rat wrote:
Somehow it didn't even occur to me to unvote and attempt to verify the claim before allowing a hammer to happen, and now I'm feeling very silly
Yeah, we were kinda annoyed that I wasn't allowed to corroborate the claim, but honestly limming porkens was probably the play regardless. We were really fucking close to deadline.
In post 1137, petapan wrote:
the thing is that the opposite (scum shifting a read to town for no particular reason) happens less often in my experience.
I agree in principle, but will also point out that there are potentially a ton of reasons scum might want to suddenly townread a player that wouldn't necessarily be immediately obvious in the main thread. Don't particularly know if that's the case here.
In post 1146, petapan wrote:
i don't think CSF is the shot i make here but my perspective is very skewed because to my mind i thought CSF was a VT
If you killed csf it's an odd kill for sure. The kill either implicates cerb or is designed to implicate cerb without risking a protect on me, imo, but tbf we absolutely expected to be dead last night.
