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[MalcolmTucker]

I'm happy to eliminate Bub yeah. Can hammer if need be. Doesn't feel like we're getting much more out of this turn.

[Save The Dragons]

i could be wrong about bub

but it has felt like wrangling votes even from people who are actively scumreading bub has been hard

and i'm not sure what to make of that

[sheepsaysmeep]

ok wait lowkey I townread bub ISO

[Save The Dragons]

I feel like everyone keeps saying stuff like that but not giving good reasons to tr bub

[sheepsaysmeep]

my read on bub when I was catching up progressed from "start of game hella wolfy" -> fine I admit this is obvtown

but I think the early concerns are all sort of resolved in my mind

-for example, STD pointed out the cherrypicking "hi's" in the first few posts. but I think he addressed that pretty satisfactorily with both "it was a timing thing" + "that was deliberately bs-ed to get the game started"

-Hu tao had called his reads too inflexible/rigid and I had agreed agreed. But upon reread I think his reads are like more dynamic out of the ISO's I've read so far, for example hu tao flips from wolf -> town -> back to wolf - he's clearly constantly thinking hard about the game

-I thought his reads were opportunistically moving with whatever the thread thought. But towards the EoD1 theyre actually quite consistent. Wants CKD + Hu tao and reluctant to do other options until he finally caves to "let's just kill someone"

-For some reason I remember thinking some of his logic was just bad/faulty in a wolfy way but now I really like it and think he has W takes. he has this sort of logic about lurkers that's solid and well-applied "general lurking isn't necessarily wolfy, but some ppl are more actively lurking or more agenda-d lurking. The pure inactive lurkers, like NJAC, I would be more reluctant to push." I like how rly-consistently he employs that type of thinking for like a whole net of reads. Also his reasons for pummeling CKD are exactly what I also dislike about CKD.

im still only like halfway thru I'll try to get through the end and see if anything changes

[sheepsaysmeep]

bro needs to come back tho he's just gone

[Save The Dragons]

-for example, STD pointed out the cherrypicking "hi's" in the first few posts. but I think he addressed that pretty satisfactorily with both "it was a timing thing" + "that was deliberately bs-ed to get the game started"

I think that is a little handwavey of him

[furtiveglance]

I feel like everyone keeps saying stuff like that but not giving good reasons to tr bub

They be pardners

[Bub Bidderskins]

Unfortunately I'm going to be V/LA through Monday the 1st. I will still try to jump on and keep in the game (as long as I'm alive).

I'm just frustrated by everyone's bizarre unwilliningness to wagon Kitty after a string of just blatantly scummy behavior. I dunno, maybe I'm so deep in the tunnel here with confirmation bias or the game has passed me by, but just seems like Kitty is 2x or 3x more likely to be scum than basically every other reasonable suspect combined. The fake scumhunting, weirdness on the Andante wagon, likely bus location on the kitty wagon, unbelievably scummy soft PR claim after only a moderate amount of pressure. Basically every time they've inserted themselves into the game it's been for super scummy reasons. Maybe they have scumbuds defending them, but that even seems weird when you consider just how blatantly scummy their behavior is. CKD's iso is indefensible from a town perspective. Just don't get it.

[Bub Bidderskins]

i could be wrong about bub

but it has felt like wrangling votes even from people who are actively scumreading bub has been hard

and i'm not sure what to make of that

Remember that it was hard to wrangle votes against Andante and they were town.

I think this group of players is just hard to wrangle.

[Save The Dragons]

Do you think kitty was bussing when kitty jumped on ckd d1

Do you think ckd dumbtelling was fake

[Bub Bidderskins]

Do you think kitty was bussing when kitty jumped on ckd d1

Do you think ckd dumbtelling was fake

That vote was so early in the game that it could be anything tbh. It was the sort of spot you jump onto as scum if you want to push a wagon forward...or also if you think your scumbud's going to get caught at some point and you want to claim credit for it. It might make me question my read on CKD's alignment if literally every post CKD has made individually didn't reak of scummieness.

[Save The Dragons]

Furtive

Can you summarize in your own words why you think bub is scummy

Kowah

Are you caught up

Bub

If ckd was off the table who would you do

Venmar

Bub has more votes now, how interested are you in the wagon

Njac

How do you feel about Bub it sounds like you're just going along with it because masons. Who would you prefer to do today?

[Save The Dragons]

Malcolm
Why did you not vote earlier

[Bub Bidderskins]

Bub

If ckd was off the table who would you do

GIF

[sheepsaysmeep]

@bub if u have the time can u re-evaluate sky or star or whichever it is as a potential option for today? as far as ive seen you've just ruled it out because of the way pressure formed on them, but imo thats just not strong enough + their actual posting has been consistently firmly wolfy

[Skygazer]

my read on bub when I was catching up progressed from "start of game hella wolfy" -> fine I admit this is obvtown

curious to see why you think bub is obvtown

im TRing them but i feel like obvtown is a stretch

[sheepsaysmeep]

that was mainly from mid-D1 lol I think overall hes been midtown theres just better options

[Save The Dragons]

Like whom

[Kowahbunga]

why do you still think furtive is scum? why would you go with my vote if you thought furtive was scum?

I didn't know you were a mason until the post before this one. So fine, I was wrong about Greeting/Furtive.

I'll stick with my vote on Bub for you for now. If this wagon ceases, I'm going back to Gimli as I am convinced they're scum.

I'll also provide intent to hammer Sky if they get to E-1 because lim all liars.

[Kowahbunga]

I'm just frustrated by everyone's bizarre unwilliningness to wagon Kitty after a string of just blatantly scummy behavior. I dunno, maybe I'm so deep in the tunnel here with confirmation bias or the game has passed me by, but just seems like Kitty is 2x or 3x more likely to be scum than basically every other reasonable suspect combined.

Am I misunderstanding your post here or is there another kitty in this game?

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

waillord

vote count 3.5 !

Bub Bidderskins (6):

furtiveglance, Save The Dragons, curiouskarmadog, Gimli, Enchant, Kowahbunga

Skygazer (4):

sheepsaysmeep, NJAC, Hu Tao, Venmar

curiouskarmadog (1):

Bub Bidderskins

Venmar (1):

Skygazer

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, GuyInFreezer

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to place someone under noncitizen's arrest. day 3 ends in (expired on 2023-05-01 23:16:17)

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[Bub Bidderskins]

@bub if u have the time can u re-evaluate sky or star or whichever it is as a potential option for today? as far as ive seen you've just ruled it out because of the way pressure formed on them, but imo thats just not strong enough + their actual posting has been consistently firmly wolfy

Sky is town

[sheepsaysmeep]

bah

[sheepsaysmeep]

can u try to convince me then idk