Open 876 - Fire and Ice - Postgame

[usesPython]

grim: also lorne was banned for ban evasion lol

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Oclax when you come back you mind rereading Drew's 523/534/537 and seeing if you can see what we're seeing wrt being more focused on breaking any associatives instead of defending his tr?

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As far as Bulge, I do agree it is odd that they have seemingly danced around discussing me, especially given the discussions surrounding the Bianco wagon and by proxy HPE as well.

Why do you think Bulge would do this?

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btw Drew since you're here you mind answering this?

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[usesPython]

Oclax when you come back you mind rereading Drew's 523/534/537 and seeing if you can see what we're seeing wrt being more focused on breaking any associatives instead of defending his tr?

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More specifically he notes the oddness in 523, forms the tr in 534 and then does pretty much nothing with it and immediately pivots to breaking associatives in 537

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[Doctor Drew]

I don't really know why Bulge wouldn't discuss me in particular, but I could see Bulge not wanting to get involved in a situation where their potential scum buddy(like I mentioned in that quote I was focused in on mainly Bianco and HPE, and somewhat with Black).

So although I do have a town lean on Bulge, I could see a world that if Bulge is scum they could be associated with one of those three people I mentioned.

[Doctor Drew]

But again, Bulge isn't a hard town read, like I said it is a slight town lean.

And 537 was when I really was getting frustrated because it seemed as if you formed a conclusion and just shut the door and wouldn't even consider any other possibilities.

[usesPython]

You've pretty much done absolutely nothing to defend your townlean since then, it just reeks of not caring what Bulge actually flips.

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[usesPython]

Like Bulge hits E-2 and you don't have anything to say about it?

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[Doctor Drew]

You've pretty much done absolutely nothing to defend your townlean since then, it just reeks of not caring what Bulge actually flips.

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Like Bulge hits E-2 and you don't have anything to say about it?

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I have stated multiple times my feelings on Bulge and how I feel they are more likely town. But on D1 I am not going to feel overly confident on any level of town read to hard defend them. I hope you do seem something in Bulge that I don't and they do flip scum.

Others have even stated that they wouldn't hard defend a town read on D1, but you seem so narrowly focused on doing whatever you can to paint my words and actions as scummy. Again, you have formed a conclusion and are doing whatever you can to form an argument to match your conclusion. How is that town motivated?

I think you are scum though and would much prefer we elim you, I am sure Enchant would join me if you would prefer that lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Or does me not hard defending Bulge completely destroy your narrative that bulge and I 'must' be scum buddies lol.

[Oclaxian Empire]

grim: also lorne was banned for ban evasion lol

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Oclax when you come back you mind rereading Drew's 523/534/537 and seeing if you can see what we're seeing wrt being more focused on breaking any associatives instead of defending his tr?

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grim: we've been reading. we're players who function better when ppl are actively addressing us and interacting w/ us rather than just reading and replying to other ppl. a lot of the game state thus far has not been stuff that we like reading thru and have been relatively disengaged with the game as a result. we still think bulge is more likely town than not, but that also comes from we really think the ppl on ur wagon are town, and the ppl on bulge's wagon are scum, and that makes us feel like ur more likely to be scum, and bulge is more likely to be town. tho, i rlly do not think the solve is simply those on bulge wagon are all scum, but i think there is at least two scum there.

im not rlly seeing what ur saying about drew trying to break associates, but thats mostly bc i don't think drew+bulge is s+s of the same alignment. i could see a universe where drew and bulge are both mafia, but diff factions, but i still dont think bulge is flipping scum in general. drew, i need to review kori's notes on, bc i remember kori said they think drew is town, and that makes them think drew actually rolled scum.

[Oclaxian Empire]

grim: i do agree tho, looking at them more closely, drew seems to not be focused on defending his tr, but i don't think that specifically makes him and bulge aligned w/ one another

[biancospino]

drew, i need to review kori's notes on, bc i remember kori said they think drew is town, and that makes them think drew actually rolled scum.

What lol

[HighPrincessErinys]

grim: i do agree tho, looking at them more closely, drew seems to not be focused on defending his tr, but i don't think that specifically makes him and bulge aligned w/ one another

Yeah honestly wouldn't you WANT to defend your scumpartner in this hypothetical Drew/Bulge scumteam?

[Oclaxian Empire]

grim: ig here's the question too: what about that makes u think drew/bulge are aligned w/ one another? bc i'm more so seeing it as drew trying to setup bulge to be in a worse spot post-flip

pedit: we cannot read drew ever. every time we scumread drew, drew is town. i think the only time we actually tr'd drew he was scum and that was a game where he was a mentor.

[Oclaxian Empire]

grim: i do agree tho, looking at them more closely, drew seems to not be focused on defending his tr, but i don't think that specifically makes him and bulge aligned w/ one another

Yeah honestly wouldn't you WANT to defend your scumpartner in this hypothetical Drew/Bulge scumteam?

wdym

[biancospino]

grim: i do agree tho, looking at them more closely, drew seems to not be focused on defending his tr, but i don't think that specifically makes him and bulge aligned w/ one another

Yeah honestly wouldn't you WANT to defend your scumpartner in this hypothetical Drew/Bulge scumteam?

Not... really? If anything I'd expect Drew to defend Bulge more agressively if it was a framing attempt actually.

[Oclaxian Empire]

Drel: So what do you make of it then Bianco? I haven't looked at your ISO, nor the game in general, but what do you make of it? Do you think Drew/Bulge are aligned with one another?

[Doctor Drew]

drew, i need to review kori's notes on, bc i remember kori said they think drew is town, and that makes them think drew actually rolled scum.

What lol

Tbf, reference the quote from hectic in my sig. It kinda was a thing for a bit.

[biancospino]

Drel: So what do you make of it then Bianco? I haven't looked at your ISO, nor the game in general, but what do you make of it? Do you think Drew/Bulge are aligned with one another?

As I've stated somewhere, I do not believe that it's any likely for Drew to be scum and Bulge not samescum.
If Bulge is scum, yes, I rekon the assoc looks bad. Otherwise not, and that's a good chunk of the reason I'm so opposed to a Drew wagon

[Doctor Drew]

Drel: So what do you make of it then Bianco? I haven't looked at your ISO, nor the game in general, but what do you make of it? Do you think Drew/Bulge are aligned with one another?

As I've stated somewhere, I do not believe that it's any likely for Drew to be scum and Bulge not samescum.
If Bulge is scum, yes, I rekon the assoc looks bad. Otherwise not, and that's a good chunk of the reason I'm so opposed to a Drew wagon

Now I am looking at this from town colored glasses, but what associations are there? This is a big part of my read on Python because I don't get it, would love someone other than them to explain it though.

[biancospino]

Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol

If this is the case then Drew not mentioning Bulge and Bulge not mentioning Drew until now looks really bad

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I also haven't mentioned you until now, or Furtive, or Koki, and barely Aureal. In fact, most of my game here has been Bianco and HPE, with a bit of Black and osuka in there as well. Are they all my scum buddies? Are you?

I only talked about Bulge because you(or someone here today) asked me about them. There wasn't much for me to say that wasn't already said, and I repeated. The mech speak post they made was an 'oh ya there was one thing now that you reminded me' sort of thing.

You are attaching me to the Bulge for them not really discussing me, and

puts me in a spot where they is no way to defend against that.

For all that Python reached basically the other conclusion that I hold, they do have a good point about this. It was Bulge in the hot fire by when you made this post; you really didn't need to defend

yourself

there; 'cause defending your tr on Bulge would suffice. You kind of intruded yourself deeper by taking it as something to actively combat about.

Now, the assoc that Python saw

before

this... eeh, not really too solid if you ask me.

[Doctor Drew]

Well like I said earlier about my post there, that is when my frustration with Pythons read was growing because nothing made sense to me why I was connected to Bulge. And I was more trying to point out the illogical nature of their read.

But I mean, python said looked bad because of the actions of someone else, and I could tell they were already being deaf to how wrong they were, so ya....of course I got defensive.

[biancospino]

In my mind if Bulge is green you're all but cleared yes. There is also another reason to this but I don't know how to express it other than gut.

[Doctor Drew]

Where the hell is osuka? Can't believe I actually miss that asshole(I say that lovingly lol).

[Malakittens]

Might regret but I don’t care.

proxy my vote to black

[Malakittens]

PAGETOP bc it makes me happy after puking for 20 mins