Mafia 88- Return to New Catania- Game Over!

[Xylthixlm]

I'm really, really trying hard to convince myself to unvote Puta Puta in case he/she/it is a real cop.

So far it's not working.

[Battle Mage]

I agree with that rule.

My rule is somewhat broader: You always lynch anyone who votes themself.

Unvote, Vote: BM

Good luck with that.

Unvote, Vote: Puta Puta

Cop in both your games? Seems a bit far-fetched to me.

BM

[Sir Tornado]

I'm really, really trying hard to convince myself to unvote Puta Puta in case he/she/it is a real cop.

So far it's not working.

Xylthixlm, the key to this is, what happens if he/she/it is a scum masquerading as a cop? We still have him/her on the rack. You can't hope to go a long way in a large game by claiming cop on D1. If Puta Puta is scum, it doesn't matter when we get rid of her, it just matters whether we do; but in case she is a cop, we don't want to lynch her right now. It's not as if we are in a LyLo or something right now.

[Sir Tornado]

Cop in both your games? Seems a bit far-fetched to me.

I can't help but agree to this BM, but I don't see lynching Puta Puta as a proper play. I mean, you may get lucky and find that she is scum, but you may get unlucky and find out that she is indeed a cop. But, we won't lose anything by saving her lynch for later if she is scum, but we will lose quite a lot by lynching her right now if she is a cop.

[Xylthixlm]

You are, of course, absolutely correct, and I would unvote Puta Puta if it wasn't for the fact that he/she/it is self-voting. My view is that anyone who is self-voting must fall into one of three categories:
(1) Scum
(2) A townie or third party who has a good reason to get themselves lynched
(3) A townie who is not playing to win

I choose to act as though no one would be in category 3, as it is a violation of forum rules, and therefore lynching someone who self-votes is always the correct action.

[Battle Mage]

ok, Sir T is making alot of sense.

Unvote, Vote: Xyl

BM

[Sir Tornado]

I choose to act as though no one would be in category 3, as it is a violation of forum rules, and therefore lynching someone who self-votes is always the correct action.

I see at least one other game where he/she/it threatened to self hammer but got hammered before he/she/it could do it, and was revealed as an insomniac cop. (check his/her/it's posting history)

The best we can do if he/she/it is not scum is to hope we keep him/her/it alive long enough to get him/her/it bored enough to ask for replacement.

[Sir Tornado]

The best we can do if he/she/it is not scum is to hope we keep him/her/it alive long enough to get him/her/it bored enough to ask for replacement.

I meant this more in real life days rather than game days.

[Sir Tornado]

And, BTW, if there is a replacement, and he/she claims that Puta Puta false claimed as cop as townie, I am all for a lynch. The ONLY way I support Puta Puta staying alive is if that character IS a cop

and

is ready to give us results on a daily basis.

[Xylthixlm]

I choose to assume that everyone is following the forum rules, and use that to guide my play. I don't think it's an unreasonable policy.

Selfhammering as cop is a reason to be banned from future games, not a reason to be coddled.

[Sir Tornado]

I choose to assume that everyone is following the forum rules, and use that to guide my play. I don't think it's an unreasonable policy.

Selfhammering as cop is a reason to be banned from future games, not a reason to be coddled.

We don't live in a utopia. (besides, he/she/it didn't actually self hammer, just threatened to)

btw, I don't have any problem with giving Puta Puta the win if he/she/it is a jester. If you are, just claim it, and I'll hammer you if needed. It will be much better to the town that way if that is the case.

[Sir Tornado]

My view is that anyone who is self-voting must fall into one of three categories:
(1) Scum

Ok... just curious, why would scum want to self vote again?

[Xylthixlm]

Ok... just curious, why would scum want to self vote again?

It probably breaks into subcategories just like the town case. For some reason I have a hard time worrying about scum who aren't playing to win when I'm town.

[Xylthixlm]

Incidentally, my policy of lynching selfvoters predates my first game on this site. You're unlikely to get me to change it.

[Sir Tornado]

Xylthixm, have you heard of Village Idiots?

[Xylthixlm]

Long discussion of self-voting.

[Xylthixlm]

See specifically this post by Mr. Flay which sums up my position on self-voting quite nicely.

[Xylthixlm]

Xylthixm, have you heard of Village Idiots?

I agree with this post.

Okay, that's enough mafia theory. Time to either lynch Puta Puta or start a bandwagon on killa seven.

[Sir Tornado]

Xyl, that is alright when you have a nobler cause of improving general standard of play, and get people to adhere to rules and stuff like that, but I not in this game to do that; I am here to win this game.

[Sir Tornado]

And, Seraphim, I am STILL waiting for your answer to this question

[Sir Tornado]

Incidentally, I don't agree that self voting is always bad Xyl. I self voted myself at the end of this game, so I am not sure about your general policy (not saying Puta Puta self voting in this case is not bad though)

[iamausername]

Eh, if he's lying scum, there's pretty much no way we won't figure it out before endgame.

Unvote, Vote: OGML

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[Sir Tornado]

Why OGML? iamausername?

[iamausername]

See Post #423.

[Hoopla]

I'm a cop. I don't remember (if any) who I investigated O_O

either I didn't sent in a name for investigation or I did but something happened, cuz I never got a report, lol

I am really struggling to believe Puta, and I'd love to lynch him. But Sir T's point is valid; even if he is scum, we have him pinned anyway. There's only so long you can fake being a cop for.

I'm still happy with my vote on OGML, but am prepared to switch to killa seven if he wants to be useless as well.