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vote count 1.m !

Andante (5):

Kowahbunga, Venmar, Bub Bidderskins, Flavor

Skygazer (3):

Save The Dragons, NJAC, Greeting

Eiralox (3):

Gimli, Enchant, Hu Tao Leaf, GuyInFreezer

NJAC (1):

MalcolmTucker

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

Bub Bidderskins (1):

curiouskarmadog

MalcolmTucker (1):

Andante

not voting (2):

Eiralox, Skygazer

with 17 alive, it takes 9 to put someone in the machine. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-04-10 15:05:08).

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[GuyInFreezer]

Flipping a claimed VT vs hopping wagons to get more claims out D1

[Gimli]

VOTE: andante

[Flavor Leaf]

and the other wagons were not compromise wagons?

i replaced in exactly because gif went 'i vote this but this is town' i was like are you nuts

Because GIF just wants to end the day.

I literally just said I'd hammer an IC if it gave us more info.

You think I wouldn't? There are layers. It's Day 1. Idc if we hit town, just make sure to hit someone who can give us info either way.

It is such a new player mindset to think they NEED to hit scum on Day 1. Is it nice? Of course, but you don't NEED to.

so i dont see the point in calling eira a compromise noob wagon when you'd flip an ic, that's contradictory

I specifically said hammer an IC if it gave us more info. And sure, in theory, eira gives us a little bit of info, but its like a low amount, where if someone like Hu Tao was E-1, claimed like Day 3 IC, with their given momentum wagons from this day, I'd hammer.

So I have a bit of hyperbole coming, but those are absolutely not the same thing

[Flavor Leaf]

Flipping a claimed VT vs hopping wagons to get more claims out D1

this is like the actual best reason for holding the line.

[Gimli]

yeah i hard agree with gif

[Gimli]

cya d2

[Hu Tao]

Flipping a claimed VT vs hopping wagons to get more claims out D1

I'd rather flip scum than town so

[Enchant]

Who cares about PR

[Flavor Leaf]

Losing Andante VT is the worst case scenario by killing off Andante.

I like them as a player and personality, and the puppy is cute, but they are the best to fade right now because of the low stakes, the high post count to analyze from, the player associations based on who were doing what when regards to their slot's momentum.

And they still have a legit scum case on them for Puff Chesting and Misrepping constantly on cases against them, ignoring them completely.

They are hiding behind their 'Personality' to make themselves unreadable, which is inherently lean scum.

They have bounced back and forth all day long, muddying the waters for town.

We do not need to have a 100% scum read on someone on Day 1. 40% is an incredibly high number with our limited information.

Andante has been a HARD wagon to get as well, meaning it is absolutely not a compromise.

Let's have this Jenga tower fall on the table rather than into the puddle underneath.

[Hu Tao]

If you're going to move away from Eira then I'm going back to sky

VOTE: sky

[Flavor Leaf]

@Skygazer/Kitty/Malcolm - Please consolidate onto Andante so we can end the day without anymore claims.

[Hu Tao]

If Dante flips scum then you guys can all dog pile on me tomorrow about being wrong, but my gut says that's not the case and I don't want to intentionally vote someone I think is town

[Hu Tao]

Also if eira flips scum eventually remember who was soft defending that wagon when it started up

[Flavor Leaf]

If Dante flips scum then you guys can all dog pile on me tomorrow about being wrong, but my gut says that's not the case and I don't want to intentionally vote someone I think is town

honestly, if he flips scum, you're more likely town.

if he flips town, i'd be more scared of getting doggie piled if i were you.

[Enchant]

Flavor is mafia i read his guide and successfully catched him

[Hu Tao]

If Dante flips scum then you guys can all dog pile on me tomorrow about being wrong, but my gut says that's not the case and I don't want to intentionally vote someone I think is town

honestly, if he flips scum, you're more likely town.

if he flips town, i'd be more scared of getting doggie piled if i were you.

Never scared. In case today was not an example of that

[Flavor Leaf]

i do believe you think they are town, though. you might be right. i think they have a decent chance of being scum, but im not like positive positive. Anyone who is overly positive on Day 1 doesn't really understand the game of mafia or they have a deep string in the game with said player with a strong reasoning.

For instance, I caught Catboi last year as scum based on their conditioned responses. They were nice and pockety towards the posts they like, and discredit shrugged the ones that didn't, and used likability to get town read. The townies didnt want to vote them because they were likable.

Scum are going to be liked and seen as town, that's just how the game works. They feed and build town trust, and stick to what works.

I personally believe my case on Andante is solid, and has been for a long time. That doesn't mean it's 100% correct.

What is your town case for Andante, Hu?

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor is mafia i read his guide and successfully catched him

Let's be honest, if I were scum here, this day phase would have been over a long time ago, and I wouldn't have even been on the end of day wagon.

Self-meta activate

[Flavor Leaf]

and id' have gotten at least 2 more claims.

[Hu Tao]

I think they are town based on tone. And the scum game I saw from them was nothing like this

[Enchant]

and id' have gotten at least 2 more claims.

And Cop would check miller who didn't claim due your influence

[GuyInFreezer]

and id' have gotten at least 2 more claims.

And Cop would check miller who didn't claim due your influence

Fun story

I once rolled activated IC and claimed miller D1. Cop checked me N1 and claimed my innocence at D2.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think they are town based on tone. And the scum game I saw from them was nothing like this

Can you provide links?

I don’t think the tone one matters too much with Andante. Their personality is consistent tone wise both alignments, imo

[Flavor Leaf]

and id' have gotten at least 2 more claims.

And Cop would check miller who didn't claim due your influence

You got me babe, never thought you wouldn’t get me tbh