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Post Post #825 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:32 am

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I feel like I am just spinning my wheels at this point, because my reads were largely wrong last day phase, and I kind of just want to sheep LLD while I reset, but she is not pushing anywhere.
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Post Post #826 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:36 am

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Peng, how much attention are you paying to this game?

Wave, I still have no idea what you're getting at. Are you saying that you think hebi had more information on our possible secret role aspects than we do?
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Post Post #827 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:36 am

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In post 826, Aureal wrote: Are you saying that you think hebi had more information on our possible secret role aspects than we do?
....

Did you read Hebi's role pm?
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Post Post #828 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:38 am

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In post 826, Aureal wrote: Peng, how much attention are you paying to this game?

Wave, I still have no idea what you're getting at. Are you saying that you think hebi had more information on our possible secret role aspects than we do?
100% attention now. Not so much before today...my typical D1 strategy was foiled by scum claiming scum.

I notice you didn't answer my question though.
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Post Post #829 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:39 am

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Oh. Actually, maybe I am the one who is dumb here
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Post Post #830 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:41 am

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I read Hebi's ability as "You know WHAT the second to last ability in every Temporal Alliance role pm is"

And so thought that it meant that she knew the secrets.

But that is apparently not what it says.
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Post Post #831 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:44 am

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In post 828, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 826, Aureal wrote: Peng, how much attention are you paying to this game?

Wave, I still have no idea what you're getting at. Are you saying that you think hebi had more information on our possible secret role aspects than we do?
100% attention now. Not so much before today...my typical D1 strategy was foiled by scum claiming scum.

I notice you didn't answer my question though.
Yeah, the answer was in the post you quoted. Hence asking how much attention you're paying the game. Also because you apparently forgot that you were voting xyzzy D1 and decided to do it again as if it was something new.
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Post Post #832 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:46 am

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In post 818, Aureal wrote:
In post 811, Kokichi Oma wrote: This game has slowed down a bit. Anyone want to explain any reads?

Kokichi: obviously plays to intentionally be null doing obviously unhelpful things like asking others to do helpful things without doing so himself and thus will probably forever be null waiting for PoE to come for him
how is this an answer to my question? playing to intentionally be null doesn't answer whether or not you find it scummy
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Post Post #833 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:47 am

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In post 831, Aureal wrote: Also because you apparently forgot that you were voting xyzzy D1 and decided to do it again as if it was something new.
My D1 votes are almost always for wagons unless I find something to actually latch on to so the fact that I actually have something is new.
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Post Post #834 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:59 am

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In post 832, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 818, Aureal wrote:
In post 811, Kokichi Oma wrote: This game has slowed down a bit. Anyone want to explain any reads?

Kokichi: obviously plays to intentionally be null doing obviously unhelpful things like asking others to do helpful things without doing so himself and thus will probably forever be null waiting for PoE to come for him
how is this an answer to my question? playing to intentionally be null doesn't answer whether or not you find it scummy
I think it's reasonably clear from the end that null is null and I have little hope that Kokichi is going to do anything to change that.
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Post Post #835 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:00 am

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In post 818, Aureal wrote:
In post 811, Kokichi Oma wrote: This game has slowed down a bit. Anyone want to explain any reads?

Kokichi: obviously plays to intentionally be null doing obviously unhelpful things like asking others to do helpful things without doing so himself and thus will probably forever be null waiting for PoE to come for him
You mean how I called Black being obvious town right away and wanting hebichan hammered as being unhelpful? Right.

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Post Post #836 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:00 am

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What I did day 1 caused conversation and made it clear black was town
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #837 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:02 am

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In post 834, Aureal wrote: I think it's reasonably clear from the end that null is null and I have little hope that Kokichi is going to do anything to change that.
obviously not to the outside observer! seems like a pretty meh way to maintain a waffly read for as long as suits
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Post Post #838 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:06 am

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In post 833, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 831, Aureal wrote: Also because you apparently forgot that you were voting xyzzy D1 and decided to do it again as if it was something new.
My D1 votes are almost always for wagons unless I find something to actually latch on to so the fact that I actually have something is new.

So what exactly is that 'something' you have?

Also, this is the second time you've accused me of not answering questions you asked me even though your questions were pretty easily seen as rhetorical/already answered. I noticed you asked Porkens a more substantial question D1 and he doesn't seem to have answered- are you going to follow up and accuse him of not answering your question?
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Post Post #839 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:12 am

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In post 835, Kokichi Oma wrote: You mean how I called Black being obvious town right away and wanting hebichan hammered as being unhelpful? Right.

Right! You helped cut D1 needlessly short and now Black is dead because you didn't freaking want to talk anymore. Did you really think Alisae would drop her scumread because a couple people said "eh, she's town"? Pretty damn unhelpful.
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Post Post #840 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:18 am

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In post 839, Aureal wrote:
In post 835, Kokichi Oma wrote: You mean how I called Black being obvious town right away and wanting hebichan hammered as being unhelpful? Right.

Right! You helped cut D1 needlessly short and now Black is dead because you didn't freaking want to talk anymore. Did you really think Alisae would drop her scumread because a couple people said "eh, she's town"? Pretty damn unhelpful.
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Post Post #841 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:27 am

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Lol, I think 4 was pretty foreseeable. During night I certainly thought "gosh I hope Alisae isn't a vig because she's totally going to shoot Black I'd she is!"
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Post Post #842 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:31 am

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In post 838, Aureal wrote: So what exactly is that 'something' you have?
shhhh - i'm not done talking with xyzzy yet.
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Post Post #843 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:32 am

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In post 838, Aureal wrote: Also, this is the second time you've accused me of not answering questions you asked me even though your questions were pretty easily seen as rhetorical/already answered. I noticed you asked Porkens a more substantial question D1 and he doesn't seem to have answered- are you going to follow up and accuse him of not answering your question?
Sorry - would you like for me to hop in my time machine and go back to D1 to follow up on that (disagreement on relative substantiality aside)? You're taking my prodding a little hard - why?
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Post Post #844 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:45 am

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I'm trying to figure out your alignment. And others. Like Porkens, who also has not answered a question I asked him D1.
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Post Post #845 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:54 am

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What question is that?
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Post Post #846 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:03 am

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In post 360, Aureal wrote:
In post 301, Porkens wrote:
In post 55, Black wrote: VOTE: Rogue

Who let the dogs out?
protown willingness to pressure

So I gotta ask. What exactly is protown about this willingness to pressure?

Or is willingness to pressure just inherently protown in your view?
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Post Post #847 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:20 am

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In post 825, Wavelength wrote: I feel like I am just spinning my wheels at this point, because my reads were largely wrong last day phase, and I kind of just want to sheep LLD while I reset, but she is not pushing anywhere.
I'll wake up in a bit, but the importaant part for me is seeing what people do and reading tht
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Post Post #848 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:46 pm

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In post 846, Aureal wrote:
In post 360, Aureal wrote:
In post 301, Porkens wrote:
In post 55, Black wrote: VOTE: Rogue

Who let the dogs out?
protown willingness to pressure

So I gotta ask. What exactly is protown about this willingness to pressure?

Or is willingness to pressure just inherently protown in your view?
On day one willingness to build pressure on a wagon I think, shows a town mindset as scum prefer to lurk and linger without commuting votes to the record.
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Post Post #849 (ISO) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:47 pm

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