Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Ranger]

Explain Dragons and Gimli townreads?

Kinda surprised you remember my play well enough to call 89 town but apparently don't remember I get page one readslists. :P

It was purely vibes on that page. I liked Gimli's intro.
I didn't like furtiveglance's.
I felt STD's 'hiya' was town by gut. 12/19 could go either way but didn't reverse this. (I don't townread casual vibes from StD the same way I would LLD/Cephrir, at least on p1.)
Sails's cheeky wrong call of first felt +town as an rvs opener.
Loosely, I liked Cephrir's casualness.
My townread on Ethel was from erroneously believing this was a Theme game and believing 16 was a breadcrumb to some kind of PR. Rereading it remembering this is a flavored open, it's dead null.
I liked LLD's casual vibes in 18/20.

[Gimli]

{Gimli}
{Lady Lambdadelta}
{Save The Dragons, Sail}
{Detective Penguin}
{Korina, (Radical Rat), Umlaut, Cephrir}
{furtiveglance | Ethel}
{redFF}

first the obligatory


second of all I really like your reads list, I think furtive is playing to his scum meta so far and agree with the sail townread... I have a little bit of meta with sail and they seem more flowy and posting unprepared posts than when they randed mafia in cannibal game.

I have a town vibe on ethel fwiw, if thats their literal first game of mafia they sound really innocent and open about it. but its just an impression i could be wrong ofc.

[Detective Penguin]

my other read is that furtive is more likely a townie because he is trying to interact with detective penguin - a slot that he had to kill n1 as a serial killer last time - and I think he is more likely to do that as town this time

I think furtive is playing to his scum meta so far

What changed?

[Gimli]

my other read is that furtive is more likely a townie because he is trying to interact with detective penguin - a slot that he had to kill n1 as a serial killer last time - and I think he is more likely to do that as town this time

I think furtive is playing to his scum meta so far

What changed?

well the thread is twice as big now, and furtive is playing reserved, like he does everytime he rands mafia

[Gimli]

of course furtive will interact with you when he is mafia right after you caught him in a game, it was a very thin early impression

[Detective Penguin]

well the thread is twice as big now, and furtive is playing reserved, like he does everytime he rands mafia

These were the posts:

Ethel same, me every game

Ethel same, me every game

furtive scumtell #1 has made its appearance.

I think I'm always self-deprecating

Morbin time

I want to get the game going a bit more including all players

Even best case scenario if Ranger flips scum it's like ok LLD is town and what else

I'd like to get more out of today

Help me understand what exactly led to the flip in read.

[Gimli]

there are no reads in these posts

[Gimli]

'furtive what do you think of ceph's wagon?'
'well, its a wagon'

remember that from last game? so, similar vibes. that's his scum meta so far.

[Detective Penguin]

that's it? That took you from likely town to "he's playing to his scum meta so far?"

Like - according to you he wasn't playing to his scum meta so far prior to those four posts, but he was following...so the only reason is that he didn't provide reads? Just want to be clear.

[Gimli]

I didn't say likely town, I said more likely town as in >rand town, for talking to you.

[Detective Penguin]

mmmmmm...ok

[Detective Penguin]

guns aren't coming out tonight i guess

[Gimli]

I'd love nothing more than an early death, but if you wanna kill mafia I suggest shooting elsewhere

[Detective Penguin]

i mean - i love finding things to latch on to early on but if not...eh...wagons are fun

[Ranger]

Is it obvious? Im not so sure...

Well you've given zero thoughts on any players.

If you're not scum you're sure doing a good job of being +scum.

alright, since you say i'm confusing you with someone else: can you explain why redff is scum?

Explain? Yes. Coherently to your standards? Probably not. :P

17 was a stiff opener.
71 skips all the content prior to make a post lacking it.
73 was the fifth vote on me. Sail voted elsewhere, so it was only L-3, but it was reasonless joining the only wagon in the game--on a player I happen to know is town. If my suspicion LLD's town is correct, this action is extra-suspect because it's hiding behind a town player's push to vote town.
113 provides the justification, but continues to give no reads.
114 is the very thing LLD is accusing me of--being overdefensive.
127 is deliberately doing nothing.

redFF is blatantly coasting. That's not a guarantee of being scum. It's enough to warrant being my main scumread.

[Gimli]

@peng: I think I know how you operate by now and I appreciate the thin comb into my progression. its reminiscent to d1 EOD of cannibal game and I'm townreading you for it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is it obvious? Im not so sure...

Well you've given zero thoughts on any players.

If you're not scum you're sure doing a good job of being +scum.

alright, since you say i'm confusing you with someone else: can you explain why redff is scum?

Explain? Yes. Coherently to your standards? Probably not.

17 was a stiff opener.
71 skips all the content prior to make a post lacking it.
73 was the fifth vote on me. Sail voted elsewhere, so it was only L-3, but it was reasonless joining the only wagon in the game--on a player I happen to know is town. If my suspicion LLD's town is correct, this action is extra-suspect because it's hiding behind a town player's push to vote town.
113 provides the justification, but continues to give no reads.
114 is the very thing LLD is accusing me of--being overdefensive.
127 is deliberately doing nothing.

redFF is blatantly coasting. That's not a guarantee of being scum. It's enough to warrant being my main scumread.

This post must have taken you a long time.

It's a shame you're going to die to someone who could never imagine putting that much formatting effort into a post.

[PenguinPower]

I think I know how you operate by now

could you be my new skitter or pooky? time will tell...

[Detective Penguin]

I think I know how you operate by now

could you be my new skitter or pooky? time will tell...

my bad

[Ranger]

Spoiler: off-topic

idt ranger strikes me as a resigned wolf.

I never resign. I pursue the action I most believe furthers my wincon. Here as scum it'd be saying nothing to spew scumbuddies/town (since I can't beat LLD). As town it's instead giving reads.

furthermore, she accuses me of this when i haven't said anything that implied my vote has to do with who she is or isn't.

Clarification; my specifying we've never played before was made unrelated to your vote on me. You were making commentary I realized implied you were treating me like someone else. After I realized this, I stepped in to correct it.

Your vote, as well as most of your content, is quite null, and I don't have anything coherent in thoughts there.

Look, I'm killing Ranger today.

Yeah you are, I know you are. Your callout about me being smug in confidence I'll live is wrong because I've every reason to believe you'll succeed.

I (apparently) don't know what formed your meta read on me. I know it's wrong. I know that doesn't matter, because you're convinced otherwise. Nobody except me dies today. Best I can do is claim my night (I did; N1) and form the best reads I can.

[Ranger]

{Gimli}
{Lady Lambdadelta}
{Save The Dragons, Sail}
{Detective Penguin}
{Cephrir, Korina}
{Radical Rat}
{Umlaut}
{furtiveglance | Ethel}
{redFF}

On reflection, this is where I am.

Cephrir's posts are consistently +town. He's skilled enough that doesn't guarantee town, but by feel he's +town by gut.
Similarly so for Korina.

Umlaut's the opposite. The content isn't bad, but looks 'solvey' instead of

solving

. His reads support being scum.

[Detective Penguin]

I would like for you to expand on why my posts are +scum if I were on my main. I don't really think my posts are any different than they would have been as either town or scum on any account except for volume.

still something I would like...

[Ranger]

I only placed 3 votes that day, all 3 were on scum.

Sorry to disappoint.

I would like for you to expand on why my posts are +scum if I were on my main. I don't really think my posts are any different than they would have been as either town or scum on any account except for volume.

Your posts here are free of memes. On PenuinPower your posts are filled with memes (especially when town). A 1:1 translation would suggest scum, because the nature of content from you is too serious. Benefit of the doubt = assuming not a 1:1 translation and the +town content being +town, despite its seriousness.

redFF had a very similar reaction to me so he can be lean town for now.

Bad take.
Your thoughts have nuance. You're demonstrably thinking about the situation.

redFF's post lacked that. It was flat.

[Umlaut]

Ethel, are you an actual new player or an alt?

I am a... wait, what's the lore of this again? Oh right - I am of course an ambitious young magician from the beautiful city of Enhasa who is honored by this opportunity to serve her majesty the Queen. Although I have been educated in the matter of intrigues and schemes, this is my first time experiencing a scenario such as the current one firsthand. I am still trying to decipher the code most of you seem to use, but not to worry, I'll have it figured out soon enough. Admittedly, I am finding it hard to follow some of the reasonings that have been made about the indentity of any Earthbound Ones, so I will observe and learn before making any such accusations myself.

I'm reading this as "new player." Okay.

I was going to say this affects how I interpret Ethel's "I don't understand how you all are getting your reads" post, but actually on balance I find it a bit towny regardless. I first thought it looked a bit towny because I hadn't noticed Ethel was a newb, and so I thought it was strange enough to say that scum would be self-conscious about saying it. But having thought more through the case where they actually are new, it's

still

a tough thing for newb-scum to write because they might be afraid the reason they are missing something is because they're not town, and so they would again be self-conscious about writing it.

[Detective Penguin]

Your posts here are free of memes. On PenuinPower your posts are filled with memes (especially when town). A 1:1 translation would suggest scum, because the nature of content from you is too serious. Benefit of the doubt = assuming not a 1:1 translation and the +town content being +town, despite its seriousness.

yeah ok...that makes sense