Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[fireisredsir]

survivalistic and openly strategical isn't inherently scummy

i think klick's suspicion of you is valid and understandable as town

i don't think there's any reason for him as scum to go for such a complicated thing with the message and then having this whole narrative about it and the mindset behind it and all that

that kind of messiness i think is more likely to come from town, trying to balance honesty and openness with what they think is the best approach to winning the game and not getting eliminated

i don't think taking this approach benefits him as scum at all so im not really sure what you think is scummy about it

[Gimli]

Yes he does he needs to keep his options open that's why he didn't want to commit to a read with the message

When I voted him it forced the 1v1 cause if he doesn't push back against his pusher we'll form momentum against him

[Gimli]

Ofc he can make a story about scumreading him and it works cause he's persuasive, not cause it's true. You wouldn't believe me if I did that same thing.

[furtiveglance]

I'm thinking it's Klick at the moment

[Gimli]

*scumreading me

Pedit: yay

[fireisredsir]

i actually think that traitor jailkeeper furtive would play n1/start of d2 in pretty much exactly the way that he did

[fireisredsir]

try to use it as a roleblock on a strong player

unsure at first whether he should claim what happened or not, ends up deciding to

pretend that it's a guilty, stubbornly insist that it is instead of a protection despite it being pretty obvious that it's the latter

say the correct play is to elim peta

just generally get in town's way

[furtiveglance]

That was a lifetime ago but I thought I'd stopped a kill

[fireisredsir]

you did stop a kill

[fireisredsir]

the whole push on peta began as a blatant chainsaw for baltar too

[fireisredsir]

you posted 18 times to start d2 without softing or saying anything in the direction of your info

then you made a post where you noted that peta's double vote didn't work

then the very next post you started asking if you should out your info

[fireisredsir]

if you thought the info was that meaningful why did you wait until then

[fireisredsir]

i think you just realized that peta was going to notice he was blocked soon and so you decided you should take advantage of the situation as soon as you could

but i think if you had genuinely had the reaction to your result that you thought it was a guilty, there wouldn't be any reason to wait

[furtiveglance]

if you thought the info was that meaningful why did you wait until then

I wasn't sure whether or not to claim

[Klick]

What's the rationale for traitor!furtive targeting peta?

[fireisredsir]

roleblock strong player who is strongly suspicious of baltar

[fireisredsir]

i think the only possible better choice would be ari

[fireisredsir]

but maybe he thought ari was more likely to be the kill target? idk

[Klick]

I missed that you were thinking furtive was aware of who the other scum were

I feel like in general Traitor Jailkeeper is a really screwy role for exactly the reasons laid out in this hypothetical
A Traitor potentially accidentally stopping the nightkill is something I'd put under the realm of a poor design choice

[fireisredsir]

isn't traitor jailkeeper who is unaware of the scum team even worse lol

[fireisredsir]

Which Hollow Knight characters do people think are mafia

Are we even allowed to talk about it

oh. I think Dung, Sly and Traitor Lord sound pretty sus anyway

[fireisredsir]

The Traitor Lord is a main boss in Hollow Knight. He blocks the path to the White Lady in the Queen's Gardens.

[Gimli]

I think this all makes a lot of sense and I'm listening to it but at the same time I'm seeing klick's real time reaction to it now as WKing furtive so that furtive can townread him - something klick will do if he is mafia cause that's smart

things like calling the setup bad if there's a traitor jailkeeper while simultaneously thinking I can be a traitor gun vendor who received a shot when all mafia died and can vend to himself was totally plausible 3 pages ago

[Gimli]

I'm not tunneling on klick but I'm past the point where I'll treat him like he is acting in good faith

[Klick]

isn't traitor jailkeeper who is unaware of the scum team even worse lol

I think they're both bad!