Choose Carefully Mafia: (Game Over)

[Empking]

WHAT!?!?!?

First of all, that makes absolutely no sense. I have never even

heard

of someone immune to all lynches (one-shot very rarely, but never full). -Looks at backup mod- Damnit. You may not be lying.
.

I was immune to all lynches once.

[hp [leaves]]

I also call BS to oEJo's claim.

[Battle Mage]

I'm surprised i havent been bollocked for yesterday's f-up. I really screwed that up. That'll teach me to try and outwit the mod i guess

dunno where we're at now with this game, so i'll reread.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hi. I really should have claimed this yesterday, sorry...
I'm undaykillable. I can't be lynched by the standard rope or gun methods.
I know I lied, but I'm prepared to prove my role today, so lynch away.

Vote: Oejo

Vote: Gun

BM

[Battle Mage]

vote: oEJo
vote: gun

I still don't get why noone finds BM suspicious =/

its thanks to this guy i'm not dead yet.

BM

[armlx]

Waiting on STD to show up and answer questions, but I'm definitely voting oEJo once that happens.

[Kairyuu]

@BM:

its thanks to this guy i'm not dead yet.

Explain please? How exactly did you screw up badly enough to die? I didn't see anything overly suspicious, so I would like to know what you saw.

@armlx:

Waiting on STD to show up and answer questions, but I'm definitely voting oEJo once that happens.

Same. 'cept I'm already voting.

Opinions on the claim from you in the mean time?

[Santos]

Didn't oEJo's character laugh at us for trying to lynch him by the rope?

[armlx]

Opinions on the claim from you in the mean time?

I'm still planning on lynching him. My opinion should be obvious.

[Kairyuu]

@armlx: Got it. Question was for clarification purposes only, as you had not overtly stated your opinion.[/quote]

[hp [leaves]]

Why isn't STD still here? He just disappeared after we couldn't lynch EJ. I really want him to answer questions.

Requesting prod on STD

[Battle Mage]

@BM:

its thanks to this guy i'm not dead yet.

Explain please? How exactly did you screw up badly enough to die? I didn't see anything overly suspicious, so I would like to know what you saw.

I didnt want to hammer OeJo yesterday. It's been a long time since ive tried to toy with the rules like that. The idea was to make it LOOK like i hammered, without actually hammering, so we could:

A. Get a reaction out of OeJo
B. Get information out of the Mod

Sadly i didnt read the rules, and legitimately dropped the hammer. So yeh, it was a mistake, and im sorry.

And seeing as pretty much everyone thinks im town, there must be a reason i wasnt NKed last night. I first thought it was the hammer, but apparently not. Then it must be somebody who still thinks i am lynchable.

BM

[ZazieR]

Sorry. Please replace me. I am getting too busy to participate in all my games.

I hope this doesn't apply for this game as well.

Two things:
oEJo, why didn't you claim yesterday when you were about to get lynched?
And I'm not gonna vote oEJo yet. A quicklynch ruins a day as we have almost no discussion. We already know that oEJo is likely to be scum. Then why end this day quickly?

[oEJo]

Still here, avoiding prod/replacement.

Will respond within 24 hours, probably 12.

[CarnCarn]

I didnt want to hammer OeJo yesterday. It's been a long time since ive tried to toy with the rules like that. The idea was to make it LOOK like i hammered, without actually hammering

You are referring to this, correct?

Game Rules
2. During Day, you may vote for one player at a time. Votes must be bold or they will not be counted.

Unvoting is optional.

Emphasis added.
And your hammer post:

*shrug*

Vote: Santos

jk

Vote: OeJo

BM

[Battle Mage]

yup *nods*

[Kairyuu]

@BM:

I didnt want to hammer OeJo yesterday. It's been a long time since ive tried to toy with the rules like that. The idea was to make it LOOK like i hammered, without actually hammering, so we could:

A. Get a reaction out of OeJo
B. Get information out of the Mod

I like you. You're like me, but without gameplay ethics. I like the idea of seeing oEJo's reaction if he thought he had been hammered quite a bit. Kudos for that, since there is nothing more important than reactions. On the other hand, I still disagree with the attempt to garner info from the mod, because, as the mod is not a player, it is not a legit strategy to pursue. I would ask that you please refrain from trying to trick the mod into giving us info we shouldn't know. That said, you are reinforcing my town read of you with your motives.

Sadly i didnt read the rules, and legitimately dropped the hammer. So yeh, it was a mistake, and im sorry.

And dropping the hammer is bad why? Your action told us two things.
1. oEJo is immune to rope lynches.
2. oEJo was withholding info in his claim, info that can only help the town (scum don't care about lynch immunity at Night)

The logical conclusion that we can draw from that is that oEJo is a member of the scumteam that is vulnerable to guns (too lazy to check which one that is).

I'd say proving someone as scum isn't really something to apologize for. I think you are putting yourself down unnecessarily.

And seeing as pretty much everyone thinks im town, there must be a reason i wasnt NKed last night. I first thought it was the hammer, but apparently not. Then it must be somebody who still thinks i am lynchable.

Well, I would agree, except that there are far too many alternate possibilities to consider. Perhaps there was a lucky doc, or one team thought you were part of the other team and tried to kill you with whatever kills the other team, or both teams had other priorities, or each team thought the other was going to take you out so they didn't have to, or even that you are scum yourself. Way too many possibilities to even begin to speculate about why you didn't die.

[armlx]

Meh, my reason to wait has failed.

Vote oEJo

I actually thought BM was trying to pull that when I first saw his post, so I believe him.

[CarnCarn]

I believe that is L-1 on oEJo.

[CarnCarn]

Moses, can you clarify on this post from yesterday? What made you change to Gun?

Unvote: Rope

Vote: Gun

If I were scum and jumping on a strong bandwagon, I'd vote for the method that would kill me. If we lynch town, it works either way. If we lynch opposing mafia, the lynch would fail and it'd basically force the town to try the same lynch again the next day.

[Kairyuu]

Oy! Lazy people! Post more! I can't really be expected to carry on a discussion with

myself

now, can I? Why is it that since my post yesterday, which was slightly over 24 hours ago, there have been all of

three posts

, all of which have been over 24 hours ago? Honestly, pick up the pace people. This is pathetic. Games only die if the players

let it happen

! Don't make me do something really controversial to get you all to start yelling at me. If that's what it takes to kick-start the game I'll do it, but I'd rather not, since that would ultimately hurt the town (there, jump on that, maybe it'll get you posting). And yes, if you couldn't tell, I'm an activity Nazi.

Mod: Prods on, like, half the players please? And a votecount too if you don't mind.

[CarnCarn]

What does everyone think of armlx's analysis?

Hold please, I did a full reread and here is what I got.

Post 27: If ZTR is scum, 1 of RBT and STD is definitely scum with him.
Post 33: Moses votes gun, just tracking this as he is a person of interest.
Post 41: Not a random vote ZTR? By known scum?
Post 48: +1 town point for Moses worrying about vote shuffling and hammering.
Post 94: Pretty sure ZTR is just newb scum now.
Post 95: See comment on post 70.
Post 96: Really? See comments on 70 and 95, but where did his suspicion from his last vote go?
Post 107: P sure Emp is not mafia with oEJo. Blatant wagon here.
Post 120: REACH by BM. Not sure if its atypical of him, but notable. Also the Santos reach. I wouldn’t mind a BM wagon.
Post 148: BM = opportunist.
Post 156: More reach by moses.
Post 170: Delay method of choice? Interesting.
Post 179: Excuse for hoping on a future early easy lynch by STD?
Post 182: More worries on ZTR’s part about his image in game.
Post 193: Trying to get more lynches out of the group then necessary (possible this point is just me making his post scummy b/c I think he is scum).
Post 205: REACH.

BM becomes more typical over the next couple pages.

Post 302: Really, higher chance of being NK’ed? Explain Zazier.

BM pushing gun on Santos implies him not being scum with oEJo, as if he was scum that didn’t die to gun he would push rope to get a lynch out of it.

Smiley tell from ZTR in post 410.

I concur with BM’s 430 for the record. Emp is pretty obv town this game. He’s being maximally helpful for him.

I forgot HP was the one of the 2 who claimed. That was pro-town.

Post 479: ZTR’s comment, and he is voting Santos still… gosh. OBV scum.

Needs more explain from Socio.

BM avoided voting oEJo post mod kill. Interesting.

Moses mini-wagons Ribwich on page 30. Noteable

The BM hammer me comment is odd. Probably just WIFOM and should be ignored.

Scummy:
Moses (possible tunnel vision here)
ZTR

Other scum are probably people that lied low and just rode out the Santos issue without taking a prominent stance. I'm leaning PutaPuta + Santos 2, maybe Zazier, off chance of BM or Socio. Then 1 of HP and STD.

Also, 2 questions for STD.

1) Have you ever played with Empking other then this game?

2) Who of the other neighbors do you think is the second scum?

oEJo is obviously the lynch today, but there's no reason to just rush to it without letting everyone make a comment or 2 about stuff.

I would like to hear from ZTR, especially, who hasn't posted at all today.
Also, from armlx's view of post 27, we know that RBT is town (NK'd), so that implies ZTR and STD as scum together, and the opposite mafia from oEJo. That is, ZTR and STD would be Gun immune.

Also, ZazieR, can you explain your comments about higher chance of being NK'd (post 302)?

[armlx]

I endorse the above post.

Now, we need to hammer oEJo or this game will permastall.

Notice the issue at hand. We want to discuss, but discussion will likely kill the game as it won't have an immediate effect and for some reason people don't like that.

[Moses le fou]

Moses, can you clarify on this post from yesterday? What made you change to Gun?

Unvote: Rope

Vote: Gun

If I were scum and jumping on a strong bandwagon, I'd vote for the method that would kill me. If we lynch town, it works either way. If we lynch opposing mafia, the lynch would fail and it'd basically force the town to try the same lynch again the next day.

Let's say I'm Sicilian and thus immune to guns. There's a big wagon piling up on you. I know you're not part of my mafia, but don't know whether you're scum or town. If we lynch you with gun (which again, I'm immune to in this hypothetical situation), I can be certain it will kill you. However, if we lynch you with rope, you'll only die if you're town. I think it might be in scum's best interest for lynches to fail initially, because it forces us to repeat them the next day, like we're doing to oEJo.

My theory is based on the idea that the town is less prone to effectively scumhunt when there's such an obvious lynch on the table. Look at how sparse our conversation has been today and how we're already at L-1.

[armlx]

I agree with the above post. I actually had that figured out earlier, but also figured out it was best not to reveal that plan until it would catch a scum who knew it as otherwise it could advise scum who didn't get the idea.