Mini 2293: Death Note. Postgame!

[Gimli]

let me read and figure this out

I'm not completely against it because we're dealing with flipless.

[Gimli]

mala: wake me up when mech talk is over

us: *mech talk intensifies*

[Gimli]

after reading I think it's a bad idea

a lot of these roles are gonna be useful for players when kira and followers don't know we have them. we can absolutely screw with scum here with some of that stuff. but I think it's gonna be more of a player specific thing where each of us uses our abilities well at night and knows when to claim it. that's it. but if someone else has an idea I'm all ears.

[MegAzumarill]

Malakittens wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023 18:28

ngl

i usually just glide over setup-talk/setup-spec only because its not a strong suit of mine. i try to stay out of it at all costs.

I believe it's just better to stay quiet of all costs bc we dont want scum getting any more information.


This one kinda hates this stance, trying to just coast by silent and passing it off as "it's preventing scum from getting info!" gives me very bad vibes. Progressing my RV on Mala to a genuine vote.

10/10 would ask u to try again.

I am the type of player who hates people that openly rolefish or even talk about setups that could give others information. Granted with no flips it does make the game a bit harder for either alignment, but to openly discuss what skills etc someone could have just helps scum imo.

so i rather go scumhunt rather than deal with pages and pages of setup spec

so feel free to vote me i don't really care nor am i scared because you won't gather enough votes to lim me b/c its an empty case

so wake me up when setup spec ends

If you'd rather scumhunt then do that then. Nobody is forcing you to engage with the mech.

[Malakittens]

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[Lorne Malvo]

Also, this one believes that no flipping was hinted at but was indeed forgotten to be properly included in the roles. Part of the tl;dr of the setup is:

3. Without skills, you have no idea who died players are, but they are surely not Kira or Detective. If Kira died, Game ends instantly. If Detective dies, you will learn at closest day start.

Though obviously it's kind of... vague and unclear still and in a section not everyone is going to read if they read the actual rules.

Also find a better Gotcha to spring on someone. Like you're right this is an oops hypocrisy moment. But this is really eh.

It's called a joke, I'm still NAI on Gimli.

[Vanderscamp]

more importantly than me being wrong about your behaviour in that game,

So you admit your reasoning was wrong, but you think that I was trying to buddy both of you. I was going to vote StD until he reminded me I did that in Haunted, you were there that game so you should know I tunneled him all day 1 when we were both town. As for you, I don't townread you, I was just seeing if you'd do the same thing you always do.

All pushes on me are towny

Mafia too hard

VOTE: kokichi

You did this when I voted you when we were both town, so I wanted to see if you had the same reaction. Not if I was automatically going to think you were town for it.

If you didn't think he was town, and you phrased it as ""unvote," you did the same thing as town, I wanted to see if you would do the same thing as you did when you were town and you did," why wouldn't you clarify that that's not a town read?
Because it obviously looks like a town read.

[Vanderscamp]

Either way, i think Gimli is just hyper focused on me cause I had him completely fooled last game, or that could be just a facade. Not important right now.

VOTE: Azu

Why is it not important?

[Vanderscamp]

Since we were both wrong, let's change the topic.

Let's all play a game. Which person do you think is most likely NOT to be Kira as of right now and why?

Gimli.

But I would vote Gimli over Black if that were somehow the decision because I think Black is about 0% to be a follower.

[Vanderscamp]

I guess the not showing information changes things. But, I still feel like anyone that could potentially help Kira should be eliminated.

I think if someone becomes obviously not Kira, they become a pretty bad flip even if we think they're very evil.

But 5 days is a decently long time to kill Kira and if we miskill too many people we risk just being outnumbered, so I think we just try and kill the scummiest people who could reasonably be Kira, over people who are townier but have slightly higher Kira equity.

[Vanderscamp]

I think I wanna watch death note again now

Same!

[Vanderscamp]

starting to have doubts on kokichi

gimli, why malakittens?

Thoughts on kokichi?

[Vanderscamp]

I am really sorry. I didn't want to make 30 questions quiz...............................

I prefer no reveal fwiw, no complaints from me

[Vanderscamp]

I just want to add, regarding hunting followers/Kira:

If we suspect someone is a follower then we kill them. We don't keep them around to try to see if we can figure out who Kira is from them. Each follower can use Shinigami Eyes correct? That means scum can get two real names a night assuming the followers don't accidently target the same guy. The quicker we get rid of the followers then the less real names are revealed to scum.

What's cool about this game is that the followers can't tell each other or Kira what their eyes discovered overnight. They're gonna have to figure out a way to push that information in public without getting caught

Slightly suspicious of Gimli for even semi-suggesting we ignore followers

I agree with your point fwiw but do you really think Gimli is arguing this in bad faith?

I think Gimli is pretty clearly the most town person in the game atm

[Gimli]

I think Gimli is pretty clearly the most town person in the game atm

[Vanderscamp]

I'll respond to your case on me in a couple hours, Black

[MegAzumarill]

Obviously I'm the towniest smh

[Gimli]

I think you're town meg but I don't wanna stop kira from giving you their death note

so like I'll keep you in a idk pool to help you achieve your dreams

[MegAzumarill]

Wait how do you know about that
Only kira was supposed to read that

[Gimli]

I used my special ability

[KawaiiKame]

but I feel that meg might have openclaimed kira alignment, and it's still not a good flip because we should be focused solely on kira hunting.

It is a good flip, we need to focus on anyone who is Kira/Kira aligned, not exclusively Kira

Agreed, going for people who are just kira can lead to more miselim's cause we could be overlooking things by not looking for followers too.

Who do you feel is a follower?

[Kokichi Oma]

the only questions related with the setup that I think are justifiable for us to go through d1 is 1) how to kira hunt/who to kill etc that we already went through; and 2) specific talk about skills. I don't think we should talk about skills because the kira followers can coordinate with kira. unless we wanna go full claiming abilities and do something else to break night actions.

I don't wanna talk about 2), I normally leave it with the smarter players, so I was expecting kokichi to help with that sort of buisness but he seems to be scum unfortunately.

Mechanically it makes sense to not out the skills, which is why I haven't brought them up. Which I thought was obvious for everyone.

[Kokichi Oma]

Because it obviously looks like a town read.

Looks can be deceiving. Never trust a liar.

[Kokichi Oma]

Since we were both wrong, let's change the topic.

Let's all play a game. Which person do you think is most likely NOT to be Kira as of right now and why?

Gimli.

But I would vote Gimli over Black if that were somehow the decision because I think Black is about 0% to be a follower.

I would say Black is town. Gimli I don't get that read.

[MegAzumarill]

Because it obviously looks like a town read.

Looks can be deceiving. Never trust a liar.

Why didn't I think of that