this is so annoying that if you're town you're throwing the game over arrogance. you're not attempting to sort me, you're not even reading back the game. I'm ISOing you and aureal and andante to see what jumps to surface, then I read my notifications and it's this crap. over an associative that's wrong you're tunneling me. how do you expect me to think you're town and catch aureal instead of just tunneling back?
I'm trying to stay focused on eliminating all of the threats to the village.
I genuinely believe that you're the last remaining wolf in this game, so why would I give you room to breathe and proof your innocence?
Wolves will literally do ANYTHING to live. ANYTHING to cross the finish line.
I think I identified what happened in this game and I'm sticking too it as I have been given no evidence to proves what I think is wrong.
Why would I want to convince a wolf that I'm town? That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
In post 167, mykonian wrote:
It's completely different from here where she goes into a vote on me without talking about me at all till the vote, then coming up with logical reasons from the posts where I accuse her without actually calling out why I'm stupid to even think those reasons could apply to her here. She's not calling out the evidence, but calls out that I don't talk about andante when asked and instead talk about her.
VOTE: aureal
klick, what do you think of alisae putting aureal on E-1 here?
In post 927, Aristeia wrote:
Datisi thought Alisae was mafia before he rep'd out
This things have very obvious answers. Obviously Klick doesn't like the Aureal vote, he voted me for it. My Aureal vote is a pretty easy thing to attack but it didn't lead to anything. Like nothing happened.
Obviously Datisi still likely to maintain a fos on my slot. I don't see how Gimli would expect a different answer here?
I don't see the town motive with these posts.
In post 951, Gimli wrote:
okay alisae then I'm done reading the game
it's you, and if it's not you I'm fine losing the game with you for playing f5 in a completely tunneled manner
gl hf losing f3 and go aureal
Why would I consider other options?
Ari told me I think twice "Help me with Myko and I'll help you with Gimli"
I helped her get what she wanted and it blew up in her face. I really wanted to get you but instead, I felt like you were openwolfing during that day phase, but instead I made the team decision and helped her get Myko. It flipped town so like why would I reconsider my strongest suspect. I genuinely can't un-see it.
And it's not like you wouldn't be posting what you're currently posting if you're a wolf.
If I am in your shoes and I replace into your slot, what would I do?
Well defending Andante doesn't really seem like it'll work out, she seems like someone who is liable to go down, wynaut try to identify that early and try to get cred from it?
People were suspecting the Herta slot so it makes you look more credible once Andante flips wolf.
In post 589, Andante wrote:
VOTE: Gimli
this is definitely a wolf, Herta was not towny, gimli seems to be trying way too hard to push me, I'm good with voting here
Andante also reacted appropriately. She didn't engage with anything you posted at all, she just comes into thread and places a vote down. Probably because that's what she was instructed to do. It's the LITERAL first thing she does when she enters the thread.
In post 953, Alisae wrote:
Ari told me I think twice "Help me with Myko and I'll help you with Gimli"
So apparently she told me this once but replace Gimli with Enchant and then she told me this.
Hopefully keeping her word in a team based game is something that means something to her.
Why would I assume I'm wrong without being presented evidence
if you're town and I'm town we're losing the game over this. it's not about assuming you're wrong, it's about giving enough room for the possibility that you're wrong and what that entails. you think you're good at mafia but what you're doing now is bad. you have a simple POE of (me, aureal) and you were scumreading aureal enough to put her in E-1. now you're shut down completely to that possibility because you think you identified a bussing pattern from other games, and the read itself is fine but the strength of it literally means you're shutting me down and I don't wanna work in this game, I just wanna point at you and say please please please klick kill alisae on f3 because of this, let aureal win regardless, please punish this attitude.
you might be a great reader but is this good mafia playing, alisae? I don't think it is. if you're town you're not talking it out with your scumread and you can only be this confident after people flipped.
In post 910, Gimli wrote:
the vote and what e is quoting. I think it's an extremely unconvincing case by myko, and he seems to believe it, but I don't believe alisae believes in it
In post 225, Alisae wrote:
I’ll claim in full just to make things easier
Informed JOAT w/ w messenger shots and 2 fruit vendor shots.
I’m informed that if someone can perform a misc action, they have my role. So not only is this the JOAT shots but ALSO they are informed.
It’s the kind of role one looks at in this context and can easily go “yep, both wolves have this role” and I think writing said conclusion off entirely because my pm states that just because many exist with my role but it’s not necessary the same alignment is naive. Just considering the pov of a designer here and I can see someone wanting to design a game of this nature and call it complex.
In post 167, mykonian wrote:
It's completely different from here where she goes into a vote on me without talking about me at all till the vote, then coming up with logical reasons from the posts where I accuse her without actually calling out why I'm stupid to even think those reasons could apply to her here. She's not calling out the evidence, but calls out that I don't talk about andante when asked and instead talk about her.
VOTE: aureal
klick, what do you think of alisae putting aureal on E-1 here?
In post 910, Gimli wrote:
the vote and what e is quoting. I think it's an extremely unconvincing case by myko, and he seems to believe it, but I don't believe alisae believes in it
They were able to adequate explain the difference in way that made me feel like the were trying to solve Aureal's alignment, why would I not go along with it?
i'm also p tired and didnt sleep very well I just want to think everything through and klick literally hasn't even posted today so I don't see why rush it?
I'd like more posting from Aureal and Klick to make sure they are town - you and gimli shouting at each other is not going to help me get there.
I understand why Gimli's play is scum motivated in the areas that you are focused on but there are also areas that are weird to me - like why would he convince Klick to go from voting for me to voting for Andante?
Mafia is a team game.
It doesn't just go 1 way. I don't just help you when it's convenient for you. That's a selfish way of playing and if you're going to pretend it's a team game when only you will only do what you think is right and only care to put your own reads before others, then like idunno.
Like ya you're a mason you're afraid you'll die tonight you wanna take your time that's fine, just don't promise to care about what I want when you care about what you want and you only see yourself as your only ally. I'm your teammate. One preferably uses their teammates to cover for their weaknesses. If you're confused, talk to me. If you need my help, ask me. If you don't know where to go, lean on me.
Mafia is a team game and knowing how to use your teammates strengths to cover for your weaknesses is an important aspect of the game.
In post 971, Aristeia wrote:
I'd like more posting from Aureal and Klick to make sure they are town - you and gimli shouting at each other is not going to help me get there.
I understand why Gimli's play is scum motivated in the areas that you are focused on but there are also areas that are weird to me - like why would he convince Klick to go from voting for me to voting for Andante?
To me Gimli seemed like he was testing the waters a bit when it came to trying to push you.
