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Post Post #2050 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:14 am

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If it's only 1 arsonist, then we do have time to flip everyone in KT/Furtive/Kokichi. If it's 2, we don't.
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Post Post #2051 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:15 am

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Which is why we need to be 100% sure there isn't a 3rd arson. I can see us losing this game is all and i don't want that to happen.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #2052 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:21 am

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Its just that mechanically speaking, the claim you made is too ambiguous, its not a hard guilty, its a pair check and this is easiest way for an arson to setup 2 mislims back to back to get themselves a win.

please be objective and tell me that I'm wrong?

that plus I had you in my poe:
In post 1940, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: well we really wanted to rob a town and mura was 100% town so we went with them. Not gonna try enchant cause I town read them.

now we really gotta try and find arsons for both us and town (cause it be parity cop)

I think the next person I target is gonna be in KT, kokichi, fuyuhiko if aisa is elim today but haven't decided who I scumread the most.

if you give me like 24 hour to read game again I'll try and sort my thoughts. I'm super exhausted as I had another 1 very long day out
so this is all why I think my plan of action is most logical/beneficial for town and pirates.
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Post Post #2053 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:21 am

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there is gaurnteed to be a scum in my poe list btw \o/
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Post Post #2054 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:22 am

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In post 2034, Marashu wrote: (I still don't know if your vanillize counts as a roleblock)
so just asked

as expected its not a RB and wont prevent action that night
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Post Post #2055 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:23 am

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In post 1901, Kokichi Oma wrote: We wait for KT and fuyu reeplacement to talk 1st
I posted this before then
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #2056 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:24 am

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In post 2055, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1901, Kokichi Oma wrote: We wait for KT and fuyu reeplacement to talk 1st
I posted this before then
yeah not saying you just chose my poe to claim this on.
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Post Post #2057 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:26 am

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In my eyes, Pirates are being greedy and just only thinking of getting one arson so they can leave. If we lose to a furt/enchant team or something like that. I'm going to be upset
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #2058 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:29 am

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If we get KT wrong:
Targeting Aisa clears Aisa and myself if town and reveals scum in {Aisa, myself} and {Kokichi/Furtive} if the pirates leave. Downside to this, if Aisa is town, we need to guess between Kokichi/Furtive or lose.
Targeting furtive clears Kokichi and myself if furtive is scum (I can't be the same alignment as furtive and furtive can't be the same alignment as KT, therefore I must be the same alignment as KT in this scenario), but we get no more checks. We then need to solve between Aisa/Gimli/Enchant. Downside is the lack of checks; we could afford to get one wrong before we lose.
Targeting furtive clears furtive and myself if furtive is town. We would need to sort Aisa/Gimli/Enchant, but in this scenario we have an extra pirate check.
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Post Post #2059 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:29 am

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If we get KT right, 100% pirates should target Aisa.
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Post Post #2060 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:30 am

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I am a very single minded bunny
I see all this controversy
and all I thought was this was going to be my time of redemption, that the pirates would check me and we would all live happily ever after*

*until the arsonists torch us all to ashes but bunnies can't think more than 1 day ahead
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Post Post #2061 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:31 am

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With that said I resign myself to reading all the setup spec now
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Post Post #2062 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:32 am

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In post 2058, Marashu wrote: Targeting Aisa clears Aisa and myself if town and reveals scum in {Aisa, myself} and {Kokichi/Furtive} if the pirates leave. Downside to this, if Aisa is town, we need to guess between Kokichi/Furtive or lose.
Why would that make you scum? Confused
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #2063 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:33 am

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Oh, I get it now. But, i don't think that anyone thinks you're scum. So I think you can take yourself out of that POE
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #2064 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:33 am

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Because I'd be checked by a parity cop. From my pov, Aisa is scum, but mechanically I wouldn't be cleared until Aisa flips.

PEdit - just trying to be thorough.
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Post Post #2065 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:34 am

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Need to step away now though
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Post Post #2066 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:37 am

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kokichi I'm just sure that if you're scum and we don't target in trio town is totally doomed

9 are alive 1 already doused. you can douse 1 more tonight, 2 are pirates 2 are arsons,, you insta kill 2 people on the second night, 2 were mislimed cause of this claim

5 people - we pirates leaving that night leaving 3 people 2 arson 1 town. gg for town

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honestly I cant see a way we pirates don't win anymore
we already targeted murashu and either we win by ending all scums today/tomorrow or there is a guaranteed/almost guaranteed scum we will target sometime soon.

my plan of action has nothing to do with pirates. its about town.

and that's why I think we have to target furtive if KT is town and aisa if kt is scum (of if furtive is elimed, replace KT there)
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Post Post #2067 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:22 am

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Yeah, I've read it all and what Kyoko and Marashu are saying makes sense.
Very strictly speaking the ideal check tonight changes depending on who is scum - like obviously the best check is the one that hits scum. If Koki is town then in some sense the ideal check is outside of the trio (*waves*), if Koki is scum it is definitely better to check inside the trio.
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Post Post #2068 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:25 am

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Wait, that's a silly wait of thinking about it - actually if we don't hit scum inside the trio then pirates checking inside the trio guarantees us finding a scum by tomorrow. That makes sense.
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Post Post #2069 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:28 am

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kokichi is never scum which is why I don't care for this conversation

I think we're ready to move on as long as the pirates target is clear to everyone
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Post Post #2070 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:56 pm

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I'm a 3-shot vigilante, factor that into your solve.
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Post Post #2071 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:11 pm

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Well if you are town, you can shot.
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Post Post #2072 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:11 pm

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Yet for some reason you didn't.
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Post Post #2073 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:14 pm

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In post 2072, Enchant wrote: Yet for some reason you didn't.
Yeah it wasn't actually me that made that decision...:thinking:
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Post Post #2074 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:14 pm

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