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[petapan]

VOTE: STD

K.
Hopefully this hits scum.

this isn't good

He's deciding to trust other people that Notty is town. I don't know why they're satisfied or comfortable with that. In comparison
they won't do the same for me who is being town read as hard or harder by those layers.

I'm considering like, 3 different teams right now, and one of them has notty in it. It bothers me when people place their reads of me low during an FB Guilty on me, that has 3 players angling for "What a mystery, Bell got investigated, could they be scum together?"
I get that other people have other things in mind and I'm also I think a step behind since I'm still in the LLD and Dunnstral could be scum thing.
Esp. Dunnstral given watcher Gray.
And also dead Gray.
Not much reason to murder Gray unless they were on to something.
Or I guess that they knew that FB oh.
Well whatever, I guess they knew that FB/Gray interaction cleared each other.
Still kinda stuck on why it can't be both tho.

this is non-awful though and i kind of bought the paranoia but like. it's one post


and the thing where he's leaning on other people for full solves while his own analysis is pretty sparse just strikes me as strange

It occurs to me that my interactions with Taly and FB are fairly clearing.
Huh. That’s nice.

and like, saying this

[petapan]

yeah i dunno what to tell you i'm not comfy clearing bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote count 4.01

with 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2023-02-28 18:08:00).

yeet

marcistar [3]:

petapan, Lady Lambdadelta, notscience

not voting [5]:

marcistar, Ydrasse, fireisredsir, Bell, fferyllt

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[fireisredsir]

what are the markers?

to me there's a few things that i think are missing

1) super transparent thought process usually in a self-reflective way. when i first played with him i said it was like he opened up his skull and just plopped his brain on the table and it made him very easy to read

2) disbelief/indignation at people being suspicious of him, this like energy that of course he is obvious town, and everyone should know that

3) solving the game centered around a few key townreads, and even if he stubbornly returns to a certain solve or certain scumread he's usually evaluating new info and trying to sort out how things fit into that worldview he has

if anyone has examples of these that im missing from this game then pls share but i don't really see them

re-reading the iso now i think there's wisps of #1 and they get close but im not 100% convinced of them

2558 is maybe the best example but still it isn't really about his reads or his mindset on the game

[petapan]

Like my list of people I don’t want to vote looks like-
Marci
You
Bell
Luke
Taly
———————
Ceph
Ydra for some reason
GreyIce because I do agree with LLDs points and think the only person he would be scum with is her
———————

The rest are all down here in a big murky pool.

why is bell on the list bestie

Taly mafia because they don't stand out and other people have stronger reasons to be town, whereas I don't have any reason to think they're town

Marci mafia because their play looked different as town and I've seen mafia grab tracker/jailkeeper as first pick before. They defended KingTroll yesterday in a way that didn't make sense - they acted like they had a townread there early but then kept it up later when KingTroll hadn't made any posts. I have decided that it looked like white knighting. Their vague claim today doesn't actually mean anything - they claimed their target didn't go anywhere but didn't claim a target, yet that is the reason we didn't want to eliminate them yesterday, and now there is 0 pressure there. They don't seem to have any insights today when they are not being suspected.

Bell mafia because they don't stand out to me and I like to believe they've ranked up their mafia game from being super obvious tonal difference, meaning this is within their range for being mafia to me. They have done very little and has also received little pressure for that. Like Taly I have better reasons to townread other players so they drift to the bottom. Not sure what to think about the Hypo thing yet as I think it could be a joke but they didn't do it which is weird.

Save the Dragons mafia because they keep reaching for reasons to read me as mafia and for reasons to avoid voting for Marci and I don't see them thinking about Marci despite saying they resolve. It looks like nothing has resolved to me and we will still have to decide whether we want to eliminate marci or not. I pointed out that they voted for Marci, got the claim, then immediately unvoted, despite knowing that Marci was first in the draft, and that it felt like a planned move between the two of them to relieve pressure. Also their focus has been surprisingly narrow - What have they done today besides defend themself and push me? They aren't even interested in Marci anymore unless other people prod them for info.

what the actual fuck

i had a dream that bell was scum...

One of them is Bell. I’m a freebie. Guess the other two and win a free happy meal.

I think it went something along the lines of u being an evil mastermind who posted this because you thought you would get tred for this bs because it makes you seem like you dont care abt ppl scumreading u and makes u seem carefree

[petapan]

it would be really fucking funny if dunn had the solve and we killed his one wrong scumread first

[Ydrasse]

[petapan]

bear with me here (no pun intended)

scum could have reasonably ruled out lld as cop based on her initial hypo

but they couldn't have ruled out bell if marci is scum

so why did dunn get shot, unless they had the confidence to know he had to be cop?

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse's got the faux townie outrage down pat if they're scum this game. *thumbs up*

Oh yeah this was weird

[Bell]

Hmm.

No. I really don’t think I talk to Taly that way if I’m scum tbh.

[Ydrasse]

i skimmed bell's iso
i can see it i think the most ? thing about it to me is the day one switch from voting marci -> kt if marci is a wolf that feels exceptionally bad

bell has good posts in pockets of fluffy ones

p-edit o?

[Bell]

Nor do I attach Notty to it and start going into analysis about it.

I already complained about the investigate attaché attempt by FB.

[Bell]

Did it ever seem like I was letting up on Taly’s bullshit? I never dove for them, but they took my own acknowledged weaknesses and tried to beat me in the head with it because they wanted me off of them. They did that in game instead of in a PT.

Hell, I barely talk to my scum buddies.

[fireisredsir]

bear with me here (no pun intended)

scum could have reasonably ruled out lld as cop based on her initial hypo

but they couldn't have ruled out bell if marci is scum

so why did dunn get shot, unless they had the confidence to know he had to be cop?

yea i had a similar line of thought on seeing the kill

its part of why i was wondering how obv it was that i wasn't cop

[petapan]

Hmmmm, we still have reservations with Bell
but this vote is feeling like a vanity at this point.

[petapan]

also i rechecked and the way taly spoke about ydrasse is clearing for ydrasse but i'm not going to elaborate, you're just gonna have to trust on that and you can blame me if it's wrong

[Bell]

I definitely lost patience with day 1 stuff.

My general estimation is that Marci is scum siding or scum.

If they flip scum, then I don’t really think FF is scum anyway. But I realize their approach this game isn’t up to come back standards.

[petapan]

then who's scum in your opinion

[Bell]

Fire used that brain dump once to basically play with their own read and switch me to town because I was omgusing/bopping them.

[Bell]

Notty/LLD/I forgot who fire replaced.
Ah unwnd. I would really need to re-examine unwnd. They aren’t bad at skipping past my bullshit meter.

[Bell]

I promptly left them alone while simmering on it. @re: fire. It bothers me that they’re doing the same thing again. Except now using the absence of more one one brain dump, but I already gave a brain dump this game.

On the other hand, I haven’t actually read what they said on the previous page, only what they said on this one.

[Bell]

I really need something from Notty that isn’t “will solve at LLD’s request” and “grump at me until I change my mind”

People responding positively to it only encourages him. *mumbles*

[Bell]

Am I being mean by accusing Marci of scum siding if they're town.

[Bell]

I don't really think Dunnstral held the opinion I was scum when they died.

[fireisredsir]

i called you scum in warrior cats cause i did think you actually were scummy. until you weren't

idk maybe i should be recognizing that you don't always look your max towniness as town, with that as an example? but i can't help that i don't really see it here