Mini 690 - Grimmmafia (Game over, the flavor returns...)

[CoheedCambria09]

Ok, my top two suspects right now are dahill and Fleur.

Dahill mainly because his logic for finding scum has been, i used process of elimination and because I(as in dahill) believe that everyone else is town, then YOU are scum. That sort of logic is flawed with so many holes that a small wind could rip it apart. Prove to me that I, or Wolf, or Kloud are scum and I'll go along with you, but just by saying your own personal opinion, with no hard evidence (or as hard as evidence can get in Mafia) then I'm not going to beleive you, and it makes you appear scummy in my eyes. The lastest time you used PoE was not the first either.

Fleur because of all the little things she has done throughout the game. From the begining newbness all the way to the completely idiotic (no offense) choice of checking Spyrex (a claimed vig) with the shoe that could have been given to someone who had an unknown,un claimed role. Theres also the defending of Spyrex as the start of the game, and all the "logic" that followed to justify it.

Those are my top two suspects right now.
And

vote: dahill

Official Votecount:
fleurdelys (1): wolframnhart
Biohazard (1): SpyreX
dahill1 (1): CoheedCambria09

Not voting (5): dahill1, kloud1516, Biohazard, fleurdelys, Plum

With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch.

[CoheedCambria09]

@Mod- Do you know where everybody went? My last post was o the 19th and no ones's posted since.

[wolframnhart]

I'm here.

Coheed, do you believe that due to dahill1's logic that that alone made him deserving of a vote? Or was there something else?

and what did you mean by:

The lastest time you used PoE was not the first either.

[CoheedCambria09]

By that quote I meant this latest time was not the first time he used his Process of Elimination. He had used that same logic earlier in the game.

[wolframnhart]

He did? where did i miss that?

[SpyreX]

Dahill mainly because his logic for finding scum has been, i used process of elimination and because I(as in dahill) believe that everyone else is town, then YOU are scum. That sort of logic is flawed with so many holes that a small wind could rip it apart.

Prove to me that I, or Wolf, or Kloud are scum and I'll go along with you, but just by saying your own personal opinion, with no hard evidence (or as hard as evidence can get in Mafia) then I'm not going to beleive you, and it makes you appear scummy in my eyes.

The lastest time you used PoE was not the first either.

It would have been better,
if you had not grouped together

Why would you defend,
those two who dont bend?

Forcing that bond,
is frowned upon.

Unvote: Vote CC

[fleurdelys]

I don't think Coheed defended anyone in his post- he placed the users next to him only because they were part of the scummy three for dahill

[SpyreX]

I don't think Coheed defended anyone in his post- he placed the users next to him only because they were part of the scummy three for dahill

I'm not going to lie,
its bad to imply.

Hes forcing a connection between
him and those two unseen.

By referring as a group,
he puts in a loop.

Assuming if a case on any is weak,
that the attacker on all three is meek.

[dahill1]

He did? where did i miss that?

2nd dis question

also,

vote CC

i honestly think this is the best lynch today based on my previous role-related points, and his somewhat strange behavior with the whole 3rd party thing and Spyre.
i can claim if necessary

[CoheedCambria09]

@dahill: why do you find me as one of the most scummy people in the game (just curious)

mainly by process of elimination

There

and I grouped them together because Dahill had grouped them together.

[dahill1]

@dahill: why do you find me as one of the most scummy people in the game (just curious)

mainly by process of elimination

There

and I grouped them together because Dahill had grouped them together.

um..that was the same instance which you had voted me for..not a different time

[CoheedCambria09]

No it wasn't:

This post:

I would also like to know why you think kloud, wolf and me are scum?

process of elimination

was posted on Sun. Nov. 16th and then this post:

@dahill: why do you find me as one of the most scummy people in the game (just curious)

mainly by process of elimination

was posted on Wed. Oct. 29th

Two separete occasions.

[wolframnhart]

But what you are missing on that last quote CC is dahill1s explanation of why he found you are the most scummy, which is in my opinion the most inportant part.

@dahill: why do you find me as one of the most scummy people in the game (just curious)

I'd like to see a vote count soon because those two quick votes on Gorrad put him at L-2 I believe.

mainly by process of elimination

i don't think you're

that

scummy. you're mainly only down there for that one situation with Spyre about trusting him, which isn't incredibly big, but it's something

The bolded part i did, which is what i am talking about.

vote CC

I believe that leaving that part of the quote out is misinterpreting dahills quote, making it seem like it was only by process of elimination when there was more to it then that.

Mod: not counted, unvote first

[CoheedCambria09]

It wasnt't only by process of elimination, but it "mainly" was. That was the point I was trying to get across.

With three votes I'm willing to claim soon.

[SpyreX]

It wasnt't only by process of elimination, but it "mainly" was. That was the point I was trying to get across.

With three votes I'm willing to claim soon.

The bees are a buzz,
care to explain what your point was?

[CoheedCambria09]

My point was that instead of building cases Dahill is using his personal opinions (i.e. Process of Elimination.)

[dahill1]

My point was that instead of building cases Dahill is using his personal opinions (i.e. Process of Elimination.)

that's overexaggerating it..
basically, that's saying i haven't made a case at all. and again role =/= personal opinion

[CoheedCambria09]

It may be a bit, but not by much and what do you mean by role=/=personal opinion?

[dahill1]

It may be a bit, but not by much and what do you mean by role=/=personal opinion?

rolefishing is bad

[CoheedCambria09]

I wasn't rolefishing? and if I was I didn't mean it that way. I meant that instead of building cases with other posts on me, your using your Process of Elimination. If you were to have built a solid case against me then I would understand your pressure, but just basing it off of your personal opinion, which is how people come to process of elimination results, doesnt sit well with me.

[CoheedCambria09]

unvote

In hindsight my vote on you is quiet OMGUS-y and not based on a good case other than the process of elimination

vote: Fleur

my case on her has been stated earlier, as have cases by many other people.

[Plum]

Hey, sorry that I haven't posted in a bit, am getting to work. So. Firstly, Porkens says that Bio's not done anything to convince him that he's not a good lynch for today. Personally, at this point I'm wavering around neutral on Bio.

On the CC situation(s): While I find Dahill's process-of-elimination scumhunting not the most helpful thing for the town, with lack of alignment flip on death we're working on a whole lot less information than otherwise, and until he starts voting and pushing for the lynch of those he's mentioned with nothing but process of elimination to back it up, I don't find it too much of a tell any way.

So I find CC's vote on him somewhat suspect or potentially scummy. On the other hand, I don't agree with SpyreX that he's trying to force a connection with Wolf and Kloud; he's fitting his concern to Dahill's terms. I agree with CC that the vote was OMGUS-y and not based on a very good case as I stated above; his backtracking or whatever you'd like to call it regarding his vote and case I see as a nulltell right now, but the actual case and vote still look potentially scummy to me.

Something else to consider:

The point that Spyrex actually got the shoe though in a way proves that she was telling the truth about her role/ability.

vote: Fleur

my case on her has been stated earlier, as have cases by many other people.

Here's something to consider: you seem to think she's telling the truth about her role, the Prince. What makes you think that

despite this

she's scum?

Both Dahill and CC seem a bit eager to claim. Hmmm?

FOS:CC

[SpyreX]

dahill can claim,
I've already guessed his name.

Coheed's play is scummy,
and that is not yummy.

[kloud1516]

Doing another reread. Sorry guys.

[fleurdelys]

It might be because I repeated my explanations so many times when being almost lynched, but it might be also because I just don't like when users put enough effort in being clear. Coheed, could you explain one more time why are you voting on me right now? Because I can understand why would you vote for me last day, but what made you think about me in scummy terms now?