Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[sheepsaysmeep]

forum mafia is ridiculous how are u supposed to find them

[sheepsaysmeep]

im reverting to like that Town of Salem game

and among us

[sheepsaysmeep]

and we cant swap ourselves out right

bruh

[T-Bone]

Not unless you buy a swap.

[T-Bone]

I wanted to finish up my back read of what I've called winning time.

Spoiler: Posts

ok does any1 here actually think cakes is town

not really

cakez is cool and all but i like the gamestate feeling of psyche wagon

i think u need to be drunk to say this wagon has no resistance

i'll repeat i got to e-1 faster than psyche did yesterday

enchant doesn't want to "waste money" swapping though, so we either need to wait for mini-game to end for a cakez swap or norwee needs to do it

from norwee's reads though he would swap me, and if it's swapping psyche for cakez i'm not sure i agree on that

i think cakez is individually more scummy to me but i've rarely struggled this much to kill someone not loud and i think that's interesting

Here's more telegraphing to the Cakez swap by Shirou. There isn't much information to be gleaned at this point. This next post occurs shortly after, which as we know backfires and basically reveals Norwee and Shirou as scum together. (After we flipped them I mean)

Switch "Team Hyperpost Meta" with "Team Not Cheaters"

I think Norwee does have a really interesting back and forth with me. I'm not sure if they still felt they were winning immediately after the swap, or if because they felt Shirou might get limmed Norwee pulled this desperate play.

Spoiler: Norwee posts

I'd prefer swapping Shirou back in but I can back a Norwee vote.

Oh so you want Psyche limmed but not really because you actually want to lim me.
But you actually scumread Shirou and not Psyche.

Yeah, that’s town and logical.

How much y’all wanna bet on Psyche/Cakez.

Maybe T-Bone is scum too.
T-Bone/Psyche/Cakez?

Last scum prob someone pocketing me. I sus StD here but don’t wanna flip today.

If we say

Pooky

/Alisae/

Shirou

/TSQ/

Enchant

/Gamma are town.
That leaves

Cakez

/Psyche/

T-Bone

/StD/Sheep

I reiterate my desire to lim Shirou. This sets Norwee off into conceiving a scumteam. From psyche and Cakez, to including me, to adding StD and Sheep at the end. I know that I'm town, I know that Cakez is town. I think the evidence really posts to psyche slot as town. Why this inclusion of StD and Sheep? Is to to distance one or both of them? (Please note I bolded the flipped players their alignment, and just for my visualization I added myself as green without bold.)

Spoiler: More Norwee

Yeah logically speaking it makes more sense for Pooky’s team to win. It’s nonsensical to argue otherwise unless any of Pooky/Gamma were scum and TSQ was not.

3 people in the game have suggested i should be limmed.
3 people. 2 of those 3 strongly arguing.

T-Bone, Gamma, TSQ.

Psyche or Cakez could still be an wagon even with a swap. I’m not too worried.

Shirou surviving over me would basically mean my goal is finished even if i’m killed. By confirming Shirou town people will hopefullt to them and not the agency complainer.

I'm not sure why Norwee says Pooky/Gamma should win except to parrot popular sentiment. I guess since Norwee was arguing with Shea, Norwee couldn't suggest Shea should win. I think the second post is interesting. Norwee lists three players, myself, Shea, and Gamma, and says two people are arguing strongly for their lim. I assume that Norwee means Shea and I are strongly arguing for their lim because we were the two players Norwee was arguing with. So I'm not sure what Gamma had to do with this post. I quickly checked around this post and Gamma was not interacting with Norwee at all, she was interacting with Shea and Pooky about the lazer game. Finally Norwee implying that Shirou's reads are ones we should follow. I think Shriou's reads were similar, but that's something else I want to check.

By the way, who shot me?

[T-Bone]

I feel like I have frustratingly narrowed my pool down to three players, and I wasn't even considering one of them until recently, but I feel like I have confirmed to the best of my ability that Shea, Dunn, and Gimli are town.

[T-Bone]

I scrolled to the top of this page and just stared at three copies of Sheep's avatar for like 5 minutes while thinking about this game LOL now I can't unsee it

[Thestatusquo]

i was trying to push shea off of gamma and got told to fuck off so there's that

This is an extremely ridiculous description of that conversation.

[Thestatusquo]

I wanted to finish up my back read of what I've called winning time.

Spoiler: Posts

ok does any1 here actually think cakes is town

not really

cakez is cool and all but i like the gamestate feeling of psyche wagon

i think u need to be drunk to say this wagon has no resistance

i'll repeat i got to e-1 faster than psyche did yesterday

enchant doesn't want to "waste money" swapping though, so we either need to wait for mini-game to end for a cakez swap or norwee needs to do it

from norwee's reads though he would swap me, and if it's swapping psyche for cakez i'm not sure i agree on that

i think cakez is individually more scummy to me but i've rarely struggled this much to kill someone not loud and i think that's interesting

Here's more telegraphing to the Cakez swap by Shirou. There isn't much information to be gleaned at this point. This next post occurs shortly after, which as we know backfires and basically reveals Norwee and Shirou as scum together. (After we flipped them I mean)

Switch "Team Hyperpost Meta" with "Team Not Cheaters"

I think Norwee does have a really interesting back and forth with me. I'm not sure if they still felt they were winning immediately after the swap, or if because they felt Shirou might get limmed Norwee pulled this desperate play.

Spoiler: Norwee posts

I'd prefer swapping Shirou back in but I can back a Norwee vote.

Oh so you want Psyche limmed but not really because you actually want to lim me.
But you actually scumread Shirou and not Psyche.

Yeah, that’s town and logical.

How much y’all wanna bet on Psyche/Cakez.

Maybe T-Bone is scum too.
T-Bone/Psyche/Cakez?

Last scum prob someone pocketing me. I sus StD here but don’t wanna flip today.

If we say

Pooky

/Alisae/

Shirou

/TSQ/

Enchant

/Gamma are town.
That leaves

Cakez

/Psyche/

T-Bone

/StD/Sheep

I reiterate my desire to lim Shirou. This sets Norwee off into conceiving a scumteam. From psyche and Cakez, to including me, to adding StD and Sheep at the end. I know that I'm town, I know that Cakez is town. I think the evidence really posts to psyche slot as town. Why this inclusion of StD and Sheep? Is to to distance one or both of them? (Please note I bolded the flipped players their alignment, and just for my visualization I added myself as green without bold.)

Spoiler: More Norwee

Yeah logically speaking it makes more sense for Pooky’s team to win. It’s nonsensical to argue otherwise unless any of Pooky/Gamma were scum and TSQ was not.

3 people in the game have suggested i should be limmed.
3 people. 2 of those 3 strongly arguing.

T-Bone, Gamma, TSQ.

Psyche or Cakez could still be an wagon even with a swap. I’m not too worried.

Shirou surviving over me would basically mean my goal is finished even if i’m killed. By confirming Shirou town people will hopefullt to them and not the agency complainer.

I'm not sure why Norwee says Pooky/Gamma should win except to parrot popular sentiment. I guess since Norwee was arguing with Shea, Norwee couldn't suggest Shea should win. I think the second post is interesting. Norwee lists three players, myself, Shea, and Gamma, and says two people are arguing strongly for their lim. I assume that Norwee means Shea and I are strongly arguing for their lim because we were the two players Norwee was arguing with. So I'm not sure what Gamma had to do with this post. I quickly checked around this post and Gamma was not interacting with Norwee at all, she was interacting with Shea and Pooky about the lazer game. Finally Norwee implying that Shirou's reads are ones we should follow. I think Shriou's reads were similar, but that's something else I want to check.

By the way, who shot me?

I've talked a lot about that second post a lot. I still kind of think it's a slip and was meant for the pt which of course makes my current vote on gamma bad and the team std and sheep. But i guess i don't really think sleep is scum so maybe I'm just wrong about that post.

[T-Bone]

Ah which post is the 2nd post? The 2nd quote I have is Shirou telegraphing the Cakez move and doesn't mention anyone else.

[Thestatusquo]

viewtopic.php?p=13638052#p13638052

Read my posts from here

[T-Bone]

In reading back I think it's a more serious post meant for the thread because it doesn't come randomly but in the middle of like a 10 post outburst from Norwee. Like I don't know if this is weak distancing with Gamma or just an attempt to discredit the three of us for doing nothing but arguing.

[T-Bone]

It would probably be worth trying to identify where Norwee loses confidence that they are surviving. I'll look back. Like it's clear after Norwee's flip that Shirou was trying to WIFOM with every post so I imagine Norwee had a similar strategy once he realized we had him.

[T-Bone]

I can see where you'd see that as a confident post meant for the scum PT

[Gamma Emerald]

and we cant swap ourselves out right

bruh

I think you can’t swap yourself in

[Thestatusquo]

If I'm being completely honest I just want this game to end.

[T-Bone]

I'm agonizing over what should realistically be a 2 out of 3 chance.

[sheepsaysmeep]

nah it's not ending my brethen, I've basically concluded someone is in deep

[sheepsaysmeep]

swap my team out for std if that's legal

[Dunnstral]

I'm agonizing over what should realistically be a 2 out of 3 chance.

I liked Gamma's effort and it feels like they believe their argument

I think Save the Dragons has a believable stance

Sheep has been playing the fool regarding mechanics, which is the weakest reason not to eliminate I guess

[Gimli]

I'm slowly going over the PT between alisae and shirou, as described by dunnstral.

Spoiler: massive PT with commentary. part 1/?

the extent of the thing makes it extremely unlikely to be dunnstral lying about the PT activity itself. but it could be scum theatrics and dunn's decision to describe the entire thing in the game also makes sense if there was a good chunk of scum theatrics in the hood. so, ok, let's read up:

0 - Fire: Mod Post
1 - Alisae: Mentions Fire recommended they join this team
2 - Shirou: A whole paragraph about how they should hyperpost with a gif image
3 - Shirou: Says Alisae smells
4 - Shirou: Says they are over the top and posts an anime youtube link
5 - Shirou: [Personal convo]
6 - Alisae: Says they smell great
7 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
8 - Alisae: Continued hyping of themself up
9 - Alisea: Says the pt will be enjoyable
10 - Alisae: Response to banter in post 2
11 - Shirou: More banter and jojo youtube link
12 - Alisae: Jokingly calls self dumb
13 - Alisae: [Personal Convo]

this personal relationship between alisae and shirou makes me feel like those are players who will always talk a lot in their hoods even if it's a svs hood, and knowing shirou a fair bit by now I think they are quite likely to take the next step with neighborhood dynamics with a scum partner that's their friend.

14 - Alisae: Mentions they are only voting for Gamma emerald for pressure reasons; This is posted at the same time as 319
15 - Alisae: Talks again about seeing what happens
16 - Shirou: [Personal Convo]
17 - Alisae: [Personal Convo]
18 - Shirou: [Personal Convo]
19 - Shirou: Says that the current challenge is unlikely to come from a mafia aligned Gamma Emerald. Mentions they have never seen Gamma as mafia.
20 - Alisae: Says the game is still in rvs
21 - Alisae: No clue who mafia is but knows a few townies (no names)
22 - Alisae: Questions if Pooky is mafia
23 - Alisae: Again accuses Pooky; this occurs shortly after Pooky posts the string of posts after 329

this looks good for alisae. the part of 'accusing' pooky makes me feel this is something organic and not manufactured. the level of detail would be something if this is a svs hood.

24 - Alisae: Questions who the mafia could be
25 - Alisae: Asks Shirou the above
26 - Alisae: Talking to a wall gif
27 - Shirou: Says they were posting a wall in the main thread and that they thought this game was meant to be more laid-back
28 - Shirou: Agrees that Pooky could be mafia, but has reservations. Says that Freedom's thoughts on Furtive is interesting.
29 - Shirou: Says that SirCakez can go either way and needs to read games where Gamma Emerald was against SirCakez (?). Also says that Save the Dragons is pretending to help with solving but doesn't know what to make of that.
30 - Alisae: Asks for thoughts on T-Bone
31 - Shirou: Says that their read on T-Bone depends on SirCakez and Pooky's alignment after they flip due to not wanting to vote SirCakez or Pooky
32 - Shirou: Mentions that T-Bone being mafia could be too on the nose
33 - Alisae: Expresses interest in the PT
34 - Alisae: Says the game is exciting
35 - Alisae: Praises the mod
36 - Alisae: Says they are fine being laid-back this game day
37 - Shirou: Quotes all of the above accusingly
38 - Shirou: Asks Alisae what they would do if they were mafia this game
39 - Alisae: Responds that they don't know
40 - Alisae: Says they don't like to be mafia, but they are capable of playing as mafia
41 - Shirou: Thinks the game (of mafia) in general is stressful, but it is more stressful as town. Mentions that if Pooky is mafia they (Shirou) messed up by being too passive to deal with it
42 - Shirou: Wonders aloud if it is their fault if Pooky runs away with the game
43 - Shirou: Existential crisis over mafia, including the ethics of town pushing eliminations others don't want
44 - Alisae: Talks about how each alignment can be fun

45 - Alisae: Mentions that Pooky could be town in response to 42
46 - Alisae: Encourages Shirou to push Pooky if they believe in it

so the argument being maintained between them is that shirou thinks pooky is scummy, but is disheartened about pushing that slot because of past games where they led the town by going places town didn't want to go, and alisae is telling shirou that e thinks pooky is town but shirou should go ahead and push pooky anyway if they believed in it. that feels overly specific to be manufactured in a scum hood.

47 - Alisea: More talk about town pushing eliminations ethics
48 - Alisae: More talk about town pushing eliminations ethics
49 - Shirou: Says they are not very confident in Pooky being mafia. Asks about Alisae's strategy in a different game
50 - Alisae: More talk about town pushing eliminations ethics. This is basically a pep talk
51 - Alisae: Says they have to care more as mafia
52 - Alisae: They don't know what is happening as town
53 - Alisae: 'You only live once' but for mafia games
54 - Shirou: Says they are heading to bed but will respond tomorrow
55 - Alisae: Cute
56 - Shirou: Smelly
57 - Shirou: Says they shouldn't be so dramatic about being miseliminated. Thinks that if Pooky is mafia it is their fault.
58 - Shirou: Wants the game to be fun again
59 - Alisae: Says it is a new day
60 - Alisae: Asks what Shirou thinks about Save the Dragons
61 - Alisae: Agrees with Sircakez. This is around 891 and the several posts made by Sircakez onwards
62 - Alisae: Says that until now they suspected Shirou, but they are coming around on Norwee and that is making them townread Shirou as well. Mentions that if any of their townreads are wrong it is Save the Dragons.
63 - Shirou: Says that 59 is wise
64 - Shirou: Response to 60 saying that Save the Dragons is more likely town than not but they need to reread to be sure. Also says that they only agree with half of wh at Sircakez is posting.

Alisae had a conditional read between shirou and norwee and was posting that to shirou in their PT, while simultaneously being mafia with shirou and norwee? I don't think that's too likely.

the feeling I get from dunnstral's description is that this is unlikely to come from a svs hood, even if shirou and alisae are both good wolves who can put up theatrics. I'll go over the other bits later but based off hood activity I agree with TSQ this is unlikely to be anything but a svt hood.

[Gimli]

swap my team out for std if that's legal

is this distancing?

[Gimli]

so I'm running a theory now that the team is sheep/STD because I don't think it's dunnstral anymore and I'm townreading the other players, but they have been pushing each other a fair bit so I'm not sure if they make sense together

[T-Bone]

It's a bit weird but I guess when the other 4 players have essentially the same three players in their PoE, and the scumteam is actually there, you gotta do what you gotta do. I don't know what this means and that's probably the point.

I think STD is in the scumteam regardless? Whether that's STD/Sheep or STD/Gamma. I view Sheep swapping as a self-preservation move more than anything else. Sheep could do that as either alignment, I think if you happen to be the one town in a PoE you feel the pressure to not let it be you too.

Vote: Save the Dragons

[sheepsaysmeep]

Gimli like u do put in effort, I feel like u might as well have read a decent chunk of the thread, it woulda been worth it