Electra wrote:If you think he's scum, Natirasha, then why are you not voting him?
Also, sird, your case boils down to him playing the newbie card and trying to get away with it as scum. I feel like if he is a newbie and did make a mistake, he would have the same actions. I don't see any difference, so I don't view it as a scum tell.
I agree Natirasha should elaborate on that.
Why would a newbie be allowed to get away with the mistake. What if he wasn't a newbie? I don't let the factor of him being a newbie enter my reasoning to vote him, certainly not in the beginning of the game.
So, let me ask you a question. Would you let animorpher get away with that if he were an experienced player?
Dattebayo wrote:I'm not reading Animorph as scum but I am reading SirD as scum.
My read on Ani:
First of all, I almost made the same mistake as ani when I saw that there were multiple claims. This makes me believe this was an honest mistake. Also, if were newb-scum I would expect him to make up some bull shit response. Instead he kept a pretty straight story.
I completely disagree. The fact that you almost made that mistake should not enter your reasoning, since it is irrelevant. A newbie could have made that mistake, yes, and animorpher may be a newbie, but most of all, he is a player in this game. I would never ever let an experience player get away with this, so I am not letting animorpher get away with this.
My read on Sir D:
1. Claiming without reasoning.
Actually there was reasoning:
animorpherv1 wrote:Dattebayo wrote:So...
We have two claimed millers.
Also, animorph, why did you claim?
Becuase they did, actually, I thought we would be starting a mass claim thing. oops.
This accusation is just wrong.
Ah yes, that's indeed a reasoning, but guess what: it's a bad one. There's no way that I am going to say: 'aww you made a mistake, okay then, I can understand that, unfos.' He's just trying to get away with it playing the newbie card.
2. Saying that the claim was a plain mistake, implying we should get over it.
This is a null tell; scum or town could say it was a mistake. We should be focusing on whether it was a calculative answer or a genuine mistake and I'm thinking the latter.
Why would town say that we should get over it. Please elaborate.
3. "It looks to me as if your trying to get me lynched.", while I wasn't voting for him at the time. In fact, that statement in itself is scummy enough, anyone is able to see that.
This statement is taken out of context. While he said little to accompany this statement; the material implied he thought you were trying to lynch him on little basis; not simply lynch him. Pulling quotes out of context is a scum tactic.
Now you are not replying to the issue at hand. Firstly, why would he be thinking that I was trying to get him lynched? It's complete nonsense! I didn't even vote for him! I didn't express severe suspicion! Why would a towny be so paranoid? Secondly, why would me be trying to get him lynched be scummy. Isn't that just pure OMGUS. As for that 'on little basis' thing you added, how can you be so sure he implied that.
It seems that SirD is trying to take advantage of a vulnerable target but the biggest problem I have with him is the following statement:
No, I am not trying to take advantage of him. I am trying to get discussion going, to get information out of him, and I think he's scummy for saying those things.
sirdanilot wrote:That said, I haven't heard a truly compelling defense against my case on you yet, meaning that I am going to keep my vote on you for a while.
I would appreciate if the other players would reply to my summarized case against animorpher, what does everyone think about it?
That statement screams scum. Look! (1)He attached a timeframe to his vote. No townie would ever ever do this; this shows calculative planning in favor of the scum agenda. (2)Townies only relieve votes when scummier targets come along or the current target ceases to seem scummy. (3)They change their suspicions when the circumstances call for it; they never have a scumhunting game plan that specific so to speak. Only the scum do. (4)In addition, this makes SirD's vote look insincere since he's so willing to change it in a "while".
Vote SirD
1. Huh, what 'timeframe' did I attach to my post? You mean that I said that I am going to keep my vote on him for a while? That is true. With that I mean that I see no reason to put my vote off him. See it as me confirming my vote on him.
2. Did I ever imply that I wasn't going to do that? Anyway, what I meant is that I wasn't going to unvote him because he didn't cease to be scummy to me.
3. This is based on nothing. I never said that I had a specific plan or something among those lines. You are just making things up here.
4. I never said that I was willing to change it in a while. Was I supposed to say 'I am going to keep my vote on you for EVER!!!'? Because I really know better than to say that, even though I think he is scum right now, this is the first few pages of the game.
When scumhunting, you shouldn't start assuming that your target is scum and you shouldn't start making up things that I really didn't mean with my post. Your best point is probably your reply to point 2, I am very interested in hearing another side of that story.