Open 99: Mayo Clinic (Game Over!) before 703

[orangepenguin]

charter's last post only convinces me more that he is scum. I am fine with his lynch, personally.

[Wall-E]

OP please address the many posts and questions directed at you/discussing you.

I'm voting charter for "losing the faith." He's stopped belving he can win and started preparing his body for burial. It's easy to lose the faith when a person never had any to begin with. Entertaining GnKoichi's sometimes ridiculous accusations kept his feet out of the fire, but then he started wimping out hard. That's my only real lead at the moment.

[orangepenguin]

I don't think Gnk is scum. I think charter is. I think the choice between them is obvious. mmdmm...I will address the questions. Like you said, there is many of them, and I don't know where to begin. Most of the points just say I don't give any content or post a lot. Nothing really to defend. That's the truth. It's not because I don't care, but day 1, I always feel outnumbered, so I tend to take a backseat, and let others do all the talking. I really don't know what questions you want answered though, so please, direct them at me again, if you feel they are that important.

[Wall-E]

Nope, that's exactly what I wanted. Thanks OP.

[charter]

charter, why are you sounding so beaten?

I can't convince anyone of GK, and I'm much less sure of anyone else, so no point in me staying in the game, I'll either be a wasted vig target tonight, or more pointless discussion in later days. If town doesn't want to lynch scum today, I'm probably the best alternative. Though, for the life of me, I cannot understand how his horrible arguments and attacks did not end with his lynch. It's actually remarkable.

For the record, I don't think Kmd is scum, I very clearly think he is the SK.

WallE, I have no doubts that town can win this game. Just because you're a dead townie doesn't mean you don't win with the town...

[Wall-E]

WELL YOU ARE CERTAINLY MAKING THAT EASY, CHARTER, AS YOU APPEAR TO HAVE GIVEN UP COMPLETELY ON DEFENDING YOURSELF OR PUSH YOUR OWN AGENDA!!

/disapproval

[Wall-E]

ebwop: 'pushing your own agenda' ... your teammates undoubtedly should be disappointed.

[charter]

How am I even supposed to defend myself? I lied, and that's the reason why (I think) everyone is voting for me. I've said that it shouldn't matter as there's really no benefit in me doing it as scum, but will anyone listen to me anymore? Nooooooooo. What the hell are you expecting me to do?

[Wall-E]

Explain why it would be pointless for scum to do exactly what the town is hanging you for doing.

If you can do that, explain who your biggest suspect is.

[GnKoichi]

Plum & Kiro, you both question the Seven Player Scum list on the same page that I gave a pretty comprehensive analysis of it. What parts are unclear? Charter flat out called five people scum, and has described two players as "scummier" than one of those five, in addition to saying he would night kill those two players if he had the chance. I don't think he's being contradictory by saying there are seven scum. Obviously he knows there are only four. I think this shows that since he's been put on the defensive, he's just been lashing out at anyone he can. He says there there are a lot of scum players on the bandwagon to vote him, but some of those players weren't on his list until AFTER they voted for him. I think it's more of an OMGUS defense against anyone who seemed to believe me or question him.

[charter]

I lied because I was lazy and didn't want to make big cases on people. If anything town is more lazy than scum. It would be pointless for scum to admit to lying as easily as I did, they would have tried to weasel their way out. Of course all this is WIFOM, but I think if you guys actually use your brains you'll realize it's true.

GK is my biggest suspect. He's been pushing his horrid logic all day, doesn't respond to accusations logically, just comes back with more attacks. I really don't know what more you want me to say about GK, I can't see how everyone doesn't think he's scum.

[charter]

Also, GK's claim of my 'seven scum theory' as he likes to call it is ridiculous, and townies do it too. I am refuting it because I believe it's untrue and he's using it against me. I'm not going to respond to whatever GK comes up in response to this though.

[GnKoichi]

You didn't just lie about being lazy. You also lied about the reasons you gave for one of your actions. When I called you on it, you defended yourself by saying it was just part of another lie. Let me break it down:

You say "I know who the scum team is, and Wall-E isn't on it, so I'm taking my vote off of Wall-E"

You get some pressure for defending your scum choices.

You say "I don't have to defend my ideas because I'm not acting on them"

I point out how you did when you said Wall-E wasn't scum and took your vote off him.

You say "Well, obviously I was lying back then"

If my accusation is that you're misleading, what kind of defense is it to say that you've just been misleading?

Also, what kind of defense is "town is lazier than scum"? You've accused several people of being scummy because they don't post very often!

[Wall-E]

"I'm not going to respond any more."

OMGUS possibility

I'm keeping my vote with charter.

[charter]

Then freaking lynch me already.

[GnKoichi]

To those who doubt:

It would be pointless for scum to admit to lying as easily as I did, they would have tried to weasel their way out. Of course all this is WIFOM, but I think if you guys actually use your brains you'll realize it's true.

This is completely null. No one should admit to lying as easily as you did. The only reason I can think of is that you saw that I had caught you in two lies, so instead of denying it and making yourself look worse (something you admit to worrying about in your defenses) you decide to admit it with the plan of making this post later to try to say "Hey, obviously I'm not scum! I admitted to a mistake that makes me look scummy!"

Also, could you please try to make a post where you don't insult the intelligence of the players who agree with me?

[GnKoichi]

Then freaking lynch me already.

Dude, we're trying.

[Mirth]

"Attention all personnel, all personnel, no regeneration in the boardroom"

VOTE COUNT

Charter - 5 - [GnKoichi, Wall-E, animorpherv, Tony Montana, orangepenguin]

GnKoihi - 4 - [Kmd, charter , Plum, Kiro]


Not Voting - 3 - [Mana_Ku, Nameless, Stef]

Tentative Deadline Dec 6

Mana has until around 12 am Saturday to post before I start hunting replacements. If game goes into night needing replacements I might prolong the nightphase up to but no more than a week total. If there's an empty spot not filled by the end of the week, I will randomize night choices only if they belong to one of the three forced roles.

I will go prod

Tony and Nameless have been prodded.

Plum, I'm assuming you're going to be V/LA Friday afternoon-Saturday night on a weekly basis, so you don't have to announce it every week

[Wall-E]

Unvote

I've just now changed my mind. They're both town.

[GnKoichi]

Wall-E, what are you talking about? What did Charter do that changed your mind?

[Wall-E]

It wasn't something charter did. I was on the fence on charter. Now I'm 75% sure he's town, and so is GnKoichi.

[Plum]

Plum, I'm assuming you're going to be V/LA Friday afternoon-Saturday night on a weekly basis, so you don't have to announce it every week

Don't worry; I don't plan to. This week in particular it'll probably be something like 48 hours (nothing at all Friday or Saturday, off chance of a post Saturday night) without access instead of the usual 25 or so, and as it seems we may be close to lynch I wanted to let everyone know that.

Wall-E: Anything specifically made you change your thinking about whether Charter was scum or not? Further, if they're both town, who's closest to getting your vote now?

[Stef]

Wall-E, explain yourself. Why do you think he is town now when you were convinced of the opposite a few hours ago?

[Wall-E]

I could tell y'all, but you'd call me insane. I assure you, I am quite mad. So if you want to know, I'll wait for more people to say so and then I'll tell the town.

[Stef]

Drawing attention onto yourself so much without any good reason is noted.
Answer since you haven't actually given a good reason not to and i asked an explicit question just like you said you like and you'd answer. Changing your mind are we?