Gnosia Game over!

[Esooa]

hello

[Esooa]

I shouldn't have subbed in but host begged me

So I won't be back reading probably

[Esooa]

Does anyone here remember me?

I recognize a few people but don't really remember much of them lol

[Esooa]

I shouldn't have subbed in but host begged me
So I won't be back reading probably

You are the second slot to have taken this stance.

It remains no less suspect than the first, given the short length of the game.
(And this would be why I'm not blindly clearing the slot.)

you are right

time constraints are wolfy

[Esooa]

I've read 2 Ranger posts and already understand something new about myself

[Esooa]

zero bussing on an 8 vote wagon seems fairly unlikely

[Esooa]

I shouldn't have subbed in but host begged me
So I won't be back reading probably

You are the second slot to have taken this stance. It remains no less suspect than the first, given the short length of the game.
(And this would be why I'm not blindly clearing the slot.)

you are right
time constraints are wolfy

Time constraints are nai.
Not playing a game you signed up/subbed in for, less so. The time you spent on 1689, 1690, 1692, and 1698 could've been spent on a single post more productive than all of those combined:
"Hi, I'm busy and only subbed in as a favor, can't read the whole game. Can someone give me the highlights?"
You didn't ask for any help, or where to look, you didn't take a look at any VCs, you didn't ask about the flip or the game mechanics. These are all tasks of equivalent time to the time spent on 1689, 1690, 1692, and 1698.

What I laid out as possible for you have done is an equal amount of time spent on the game to what you

actually

have done, and demonstrates why your insistence on time constraints as an excuse is suspect. I laid out what you could've done in those time constraints, yet instead of any of that, you have given nothing.

I am posting while talking to my gf playing stardew

not exactly the time to do a bunch of reading, is it?

[Esooa]

Also, I don't need help lol

[Esooa]

Does anyone here remember me?

I recognize a few people but don't really remember much of them lol

I do.
I am Gavial.

is this for real?

[Esooa]

Also, I don't need help lol

its so hard to town read you but i think im gonna do it anyway

what are u on about

[Esooa]

Also, I don't need help lol

its so hard to town read you but i think im gonna do it anyway

what are u on about

don't u have stardew gameplay to watch?

come back when u have reads

Why is it hard to townread me?

[Esooa]

Fine. I think i should't had bet on common sense and claimed instantly. Oh well.


I am Kukrushka, anyone who targets me with any ability at night will feel regret and roleblocked for next night. It's passive and i can't disable that. It's also infinity use.


Avoid me. Tsk.

Writing setup here for easy access.

1. Engineer (Cop)
2. Guardian Angel (Doctor)
3. Doctor (Coroner)
4. Guard Duty (Mason)
5. Guard Duty (Mason)
6. Crewmate (VT)
7. Crewmate (VT)
8. Crewmate (VT)
9. Crewmate (VT)
10. Crewmate (VT)

11. Gnosia (Mafia Goon)
12. Gnosia (Mafia Goon)
13. Gnosia (Mafia Goon)
14. AC Follower (Mafia Traitor)

15. Bug (Anti-Social Survivor)

Engineer learns alignment of target. If target is Bug, he dies.
Guardian Angel can heal target.

Guardian Angel can't claim. Punishment is unknown.

Anyone else can claim GA. If you are pressured and you are GA: Say "I may, or may be not be GA.". Hm... Does it count as claim then? Need to clarify with mod.
Doctor. Can learn alignment of dead target.
Guard Duty Masons.

Only Guard Duty can claim as Guard Duty. Punishment is unknown.

Crewmate. Meat shields.
Gnosia. Mafia. We hate them.
AC Follower.

He doesh't know who is Gnosia.

Bug. He is Anti-Social Survivor, because he wins INSTEAD of faction which should had win.

I don't really get this. You have a role not in the setup?

I have only read what is in this post about the setup, couldn't see anytihng else at the start of the thread

[Esooa]

Wait, I just realized mine isn't in the estup either lmfao

I forgot I even had a role

[Esooa]

Enchant was claiming their character.
We are all randomly given one in our Role PM, irrespective of alignment and role.
A list of them (excluding the Protag) are listed below.

But there is no role which RB's people after they target them in the other post I quoted

TBH, Ripple is just a bad host and explained nothing and I see nothing in the OP

So I guess I do need help, because I don't understand the setup at all atm

[Esooa]

Enchant was claiming their character.
We are all randomly given one in our Role PM, irrespective of alignment and role.
A list of them (excluding the Protag) are listed below.

But there is no role which RB's people after they target them in the other post I quoted

TBH, Ripple is just a bad host and explained nothing and I see nothing in the OP

So I guess I do need help, because I don't understand the setup at all atm

It's because Enchant's character ability is Passive Reflexive Roleblocker.
It's not a role.

I mean, that is a "role" to me. It's an ability someone has lol. But sure. So then this game is basically role madness?

[Esooa]

I'll save some questions for later, and hopefully pick it up reading from SoD2

[Esooa]

tbh almost every post u make almost indicates an aversion to playing the game or any protown imperative at all
ur slot is kinda also only somewhat cleared cuz the wagon looks like a really hasty push to let obvscum live another night

pretty awkward to even be considering what I'm posting as that. Entering a game with introductions/nai posting is an "aversion" to playing?

I was hoping you at least were talking about my predecessors posts, but that you even thought this about mine and then somehow town read them anyway is a pretty confusing read

[Esooa]

i mean seriously, i have no reads cuz my gf is playing stardew xD like whaaat??

Yes, also that I literally had just subbed in?

Do you know what that means?

[Esooa]

On page 45, MathBlade's interactions also feel possible Traitor/Bug, but not Gnosia. This is fueled further here:

Explain why the quoted isn't gnosia?

If I need to read the page for context, I haven't, but that doesn't read unpartnered to me

[Esooa]

On a plane today

LLD I want to reiterate; I'm not mad at

you

but I AM

frustrated

. You're the

third

replacement to give nothing on replacing in.

It's not your fault, especially given the holidays, but it's still exasperating.

I get why that sucks

I said yeah to help the host. I didn't realize my time would be so constrained.

I'll do things eventually, right now it doesn't seem my input is very needed anyways. I'm fine with listening to the confirmed towns we have

[Esooa]

From what I have read, I'd agree with that one car guy being a wolf, because his post on me saying both that he was struggling to town read me (when I don't know why it wouldn't just be taken as NAI what I posted so far) and then did town read me (when he had no reason to really) was kinda bad

[Esooa]

Decided to do something.

Name. Role/Alignment. Flavor Name. Special.

1. Herta. Coroner. Unknown. Unknown.

2. ProfessorDrapion. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
3. Roden. Unknown. Unknown. "Let's Collaborate", creates hood.

4. Jessica Rabbit. Gnosia. "Block Argument", Vote Redirection.

5. Esooa. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
6. Mathblade. Unknown. Gina. If someone susses them, learns special ability of said player.
7. Ranger. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
8. Freedom. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
9. FakeGod. Unknown. Unknown. "What is your Role?".
10. Jada. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
11. Enchant. Town. Kukrushka. "Regret"
12. beeboy. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
13. Lady Lambdadelta. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.

14. Not Known 15. Engineer. Unknown. "State you are Human".

15. narrow parking. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.


I remember someone claimed ability which recharges other abilities but i don't really have time. If you claimed something which i forgot please state.
We need to think which ability we want to recharge. MathBlade and FakeGod both can be useful.

shouldn't you be green here?

[Esooa]

Jada was human

human as in town?

[Esooa]

Yeah I don’t exactly believe that either. But whatever I guess I am not confirmed not bug if you do believe it.

I did all I could if you want to elim me over Drapion / G who “didn’t do anything” despite posting the Block Argument and despite them doing something in thread.

Drapion/Gimili and LLD just feel the most sus to me from having played this type of game the longest time.

Maybe I'm just missing something but I thought it was pretty obvious Enchant was telling the truth when they claimed that. I think cause the cop backed it up, didn't they?

I don't remember the order honestly.

Regardless, this quick giving up when that was pointed out seems scummy to me. I liked how Math was fighting about it before but then that was pointed out, which isn't really a reason for a towny to drop their conviction so fast, but seems more so reason for a scum to

I don't really know how to hunt for bugs though. I thought about it a bit and if the bug atm is incentivized to play as much like a town as they can (hunting wolves), idk how to differentiate them really.

As for traitor, do we know if they know wolves/wolves know them?

[Esooa]

No really I am not.

I have spent literally all game explaining the best ways to win and how to explore things and generally the best protown tips

I get told no even after voting games that win

I have explained that I am actually good town in flipless and demonstrating it.

Your slot is a thrice replaced slot that is a proven liar
We changed likely from one scum to another
You said did nothing and are now saying you used your ability on Jessica.

So yeah I am a bit annoyed.

I am absolutely sure scum and or Bug are pushing on me

this is more of what I expected though

[Esooa]

Actually, with two Gnosia still alive, I'd prefer to hunt the Gnosia.

The reason for this: One Gnosia alive can't kill Enchant without forfeiting a kill.

Two Gnosia alive

can

. One makes the kill, and the other makes the next.

Enchant living is crucial to a town win, so we need Enchant to not be killed, or to cost the Gnosia their next kill.

Furthermore, two Gnosia can communicate and coordinate at night, allowing them to have two voices to optimize their kill rather than one, and potentially, help plan dayplay.

Taking a second Gnosia out here is vital. I believe {narrow parking, beeboy} have the highest chance to contain Gnosia specifically.

Narrow parking could be. Is Beeboy just cause they're not posting?

[Esooa]

My character is Raqio, and my ability is that if someone posts doubts or suspicions on me I can make them have an extra vote on them during freeze phase once per game

[Esooa]

actually horrible to try to catch up as many of the players from d1 aren't here anymore, the game is flipless, and a looooooot of discussion is about mech

I might as well just potato, then. sorry. but I'm here you know, if anyone wants to talk about anything.

yea I had the same when I tried reading a couple pages

[Esooa]

actually horrible to try to catch up as many of the players from d1 aren't here anymore, the game is flipless, and a looooooot of discussion is about mech

I might as well just potato, then. sorry. but I'm here you know, if anyone wants to talk about anything.

I give you some insights.

NK15 is dead not CCed Engineer.
Jessica is Gnosia which are confirmed by our Coroner Herta (also unCCed).
Juda is Human. It means they are either Crewmember (Town), Bug (Third Party) or AC Follower (Traitor).
Herta is Coroner. I did mention it.
I am check of NK15. It means i am confirmed to be Human (Crewmember, AC Follower. Not Bug: Bug dies if Engineer targets them).

oh you can still be traitor?

[Esooa]

Narrow parking could be. Is Beeboy just cause they're not posting?

Mostly, yes.

Spoiler: beeboy not posting evidence

The last time the slot contributed anything was when it was Autere. This is the iso of the slot. beeboy replaced in on December 15th. 23 days ago. 3 weeks ago. 51 pages ago. beeboy claimed they wouldn't read anything before their replace-in, but do the math: there's been more content after beeboy's replacement than there was before beeboy's replacement. The game has been going longer with beeboy in it than it has been without (first 9 days).

If beeboy had flaked from the game, that level of contribution would be understandable. However, beeboy was active enough to submit a vote.

Night 2 Freeze Vote

Jada (12): Herta, ProfessorDrapion, Esooa, Mathblade, Ranger, Freedom, FakeGod, Enchant,

beeboy

, Lady Lambdadelta, Not Known 15, narrow parking,

Voting and Freezing:

1. If you do not vote before the deadline it will be counted as a self-vote.

beeboy has not flaked from the game, they submitted a vote on Jada.

And yet, in spite of the game having more content by every possible metric after beeboy's replace-in, beeboy has absolutely zero content given.

beeboy's sparse iso this game is comparable to a scumgame. It is also comparable to a different scumgame.

Near as I can tell

,

this

is a

towngame

from beeboy. Note the difference? A 3 page iso compared to two scumgames of bare minimum.

I realize beeboy has longer-iso scumgames. I realize beeboy has sparse in the way of recently completed towngames. (Most of beeboy's games have beeboy as a replace-out.)

But beeboy has no excuse for having been this absent yet having remained in the game. beeboy has contributed literally

nothing

.

Additional reasoning can be found in Jessica's iso.

Spoiler: every mention of the slot

Ranger, could you explain why you have Autere so high in your reads?

MOD MariaR:
Klick, Scoliosis, Elmo TeH AzN, Jessica Rabbit, and narrow parking are

all

in prod range.

With JunkoChan being replaced,

Six slots are absent from the game

;
That leaves only nine votes in play, when it takes eight to push an elimination through.

With it being impossible to get an elimination through without every player present voting

(which includes the scum),

can we have more than just a 24 hour extension for the deadline?

Either a freeze of it or an extension after each slot needing replacement has been filled?

You forgot Autere

mod

You also had Autere (beeboy) as well but I understood your initial Junko read more.

Hesta
Marashu
Jessica Rabbit
Elmo TeH AzN
Mathblade
Ranger
FakeGod
beeboy
Jada

What does , mean? Is higher or lower for you than ?

In particular I feel 970 is partner-indicative above all others, but all of them look partnerey.

Incidentally, I feel Jessica's lack of interaction with narrow parking also spews narrow parking as quite likely Gnosia.

I actually hate narrow parking more.
I just sheep conftown.

He didn’t even give a reason for his vote. What happened to all of the earlier wagons that stalled? Why aren’t you even a bit suspicious that I’m suddenly the lead wagon out of literally nowhere?

This is her only mention of narrow parking at all. If that were in regards to narrow parking's vote on her, this reaction is

far

more subdued than her comparable reactions to FakeGod, ProfessorDrapion, and MathBlade.

long parking's first mention of Jessica was a question mark, more seriously called null. When voting, the vote looks like a classical scum bus. 1458 indicates he may have been looking for an excuse to switch off, since it contradicts 1432.
And long parking had beeboy as town once, but has not mentioned the slot before or since.

Neither slot has done anything I've thought is town, both slots fit as scum with Jessica, both fit as scum with each other.

I'd prefer us to eliminate one of them today.

what about 970 is partnery?

[Esooa]

theres 6 uses of that emoji used for beeboy, idk how it's specifically about him

[Esooa]

gimli, son of gloin

your predecessor marashu the cat also pushed for the death of narrow parking

that is very interesting to see two people come into the same slot and make the same push

isn't that the same thing Math is saying about lld? But I don't remember you considering it much against lld. I could be misremembering though

[Esooa]

Can someone tell me if traitor knows wolves or wolves know traitor?

[Esooa]

I think Ranger is wolf or traitor or bug or something maybe

[Esooa]

I could vote Elmo or beeyboy, I guess. I’m not tr either.

To reiterate,

VOTE: Elmo

It was not beeboy that Jessica voted. It was Elmo.

And the two are not equal in Jessica's iso. 1289 demonstrates willingness to vote Elmo; beeboy is not mentioned.

Elmo's only mentions are 1289, 1384, and 1385 (all 3 relating to voting).

beeboy gets mentioned in 674, 781, 969, and then 1384 (none of them relating to voting except the last).

Jessica's iso is sparse in terms of alignment-indicative content except for {MathBlade, Gimli, FakeGod} all of which are hard-spewed as not-Gnosia imo, and arguably Esooa as well for the vote (altho in hindsight reading it, this isn't actually as anti-partnerey as I previously assumed).

That makes garnering content on slots outside that lot difficult, but the beeboy mention is out of place. It's not a matter of "Jessica mentioned beeboy as a lim candidate, therefore beeboy town", it's "why did Jessica mention beeboy there at all, when beeboy

wasn't

a lim candidate?" The last time there was any mention of beeboy being a vote was 1199 (unless you count my readslists, the last of which was 1308 at the time of 1384).

There was no recent content for Jessica to be interacting with suggesting beeboy was a candidate.

So why was beeboy mentioned at all?

beeboy's presence there isn't clearing of beeboy; beeboy's presence there is

inherently suspect

.

tbh, didn't really understand your previous reasons for associating them and didn't like the read on the emoji things, or that you were pushing a lot of lower posting slots, but this makes a lot more sense so don't have as much problems with that

[Esooa]

beeboy/parking/lld poe

[Esooa]

VOTE: MathBlade
The more I think about it, the more likely I think I am a good elim for town.

Nice try Bug but you're not going to convince us to bughunt instead of gnosia hunt.

The bug's win condition is apparently to endgame whichever faction would've won as long as the bug remains alive. The bug does need to die before we eliminate the last gnosia, but we've confirmation via Herta two gnosia are alive right now.

Ergo, there is absolutely no way for the bug to endgame the town overnight.

There is however a tangible benefit to eliminating gnosia today. Two gnosia alive can kill Enchant without forfeiting a nightkill. One gnosia alive cannot. Two gnosia alive can plan together during the night phase, sharing theories, strategies, and forming a path to victory. One gnosia alive has only themselves.

Fear-hunting for the bug is +bug.

We know the bug is alive.
We know there's two gnosia alive.
There may or may not be a traitor.
But per there being two gnosia alive, we need to eliminate a second gnosia today.

do we know that bug and traitor is for sure alive?

[Esooa]

This line of logic doesn't really match up to me. It kind of seems like you're questioning people's scumread on my slot because of inactivity and then you suddenly have this slot in your top 3 scumreads later when it seems like everyone else is. That's why I'm asking for your reasoning. Cause your posts don't show any

You actually uh quoted a post I agreed to a wolf read on beeboy which was directly before I made the poe post so what are you even asking about lol

[Esooa]

I think mathblade is pretty town

[Esooa]

honestly, I have no clue how to find bug

[Esooa]

maybe gerryoat because beeboy didn't care at all? that is probably bug-ish on it's own

[Esooa]

well I was waiting on claiming cause I don't really get how it helps us honestly but it doesn't rly matter ultimately, I'm VT

[Esooa]

I'll use my ability today

[Esooa]

by far lld>math in terms of just how they're acting not town. But like I said before idk how to bug hunt

[Esooa]

honestly, I don't really have any interest in trying either. Pretty boring mechanic on top of an already boring game lol

[Esooa]

math blade keeps being weird and making me doubt my read that he's town lol

but I still think for the most part his earlier emphatic saying he was town was good

could be a fine vote regardless because I think LLD is wolf

and honestly, feel like hitting bug rn is just done by voting at random and there's no reason not to so yeah

[Esooa]

I think lld is a wolf still but I have no clue about bug stuff

[Esooa]

if we vote all gnosia and traitor is alive what happens?

[Esooa]

Why? We have to kill Bug first, is that something bug says?

Or are you just trying to kill me now that I've described what you are doing and want to kill you, which makes me a threat to your wincon?

immediate omgus doesn't work on confirmed town players

[Esooa]

oh gimli isn't? who's the other mason lol

[Esooa]

I think I want

STD
Gimli
Freedom
Esooa (who I think is Gnosia. Assumign that the timing on that works and we have votes? If not, Freedom is probably just town so)

Huh

I thought Esooa might be bug actually

really? i didn't really see that as a bug play

Can you explain?
Though, 2668 could definitely be a slip.

[Esooa]

idk when voting phase is but I'm prob gonna vote freedom